Dukan carbs v fat.

Question for those in the know. I always though the most important thing to avoid on dukan was carbs. If this is the case, then I am really confused about yogurt. We are allowed very low fat or fat free dairy, however, the lower the fat, the higher the carbs when it comes to every yogurt that I looked at in the supermarket. The same applies to milk, the lower fat, the higher the carbs with skimmed milk having e highest carbs and double cream the lowest.

Does this mean that Dr Dukan considers fat to be more harmful than carbs? I know the Atkins diet is very similar to dukan although they choose high fat over carbs and from what I read, people still loose quickly, also with all the latest research into fats and sugars we are now being advised to choose full fat over sugar.
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Dukan is low fat and it allows skimmed milk, fat free and natural low fat yogurts..the opposite of Atkins.

Yes I realise that but my question is why, when the carbs are higher in low fat?

tryin again said:

Question for those in the know. I always though the most important thing to avoid on dukan was carbs. If this is the case, then I am really confused about yogurt. We are allowed very low fat or fat free dairy, however, the lower the fat, the higher the carbs when it comes to every yogurt that I looked at in the supermarket. The same applies to milk, the lower fat, the higher the carbs with skimmed milk having e highest carbs and double cream the lowest.

Does this mean that Dr Dukan considers fat to be more harmful than carbs? I know the Atkins diet is very similar to dukan although they choose high fat over carbs and from what I read, people still loose quickly, also with all the latest research into fats and sugars we are now being advised to choose full fat over sugar.
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Hi tryin again

Going to try answering this....

Dukan is moderate to low carb (low carb on PP days). Atkins is very low carb all the time.

When I was on cruise I was losing for about 7 months - all low fat and eating as many yogurts as i wanted! When i randomly checked calories during that time, I found that (other than salmon days) I was not eating more than 1200 cals a day (if that!). And I eat/ate a lot!

In the 8th month I stalled! I feel I stalled for two reasons:

1. I started eating high fat (as in normal yogurts, fat on my steak, chicken skin etc.)
2. Still ate the same no. of yogurts and drank same no. of coffees

When I hit that plateau (and was getting frustrated) I gave myself two weeks and then said no matter what I was moving to Conso at the end of those two weeks. In that time, I cut out dairy. No coffee no yogurt! Was still having cheese but carb content there is very low.

At the end of two weeks I lost about 3 or 4 lbs (cant remember the number)!

So my take on this:

- Dukan low fat moderate carb causes calorie deficiency and hence weight loss (actually dont think carbs matter here)
- Atkins high fat very low carb puts you in a keto state which causes the weight loss (proven)

Yes, Dr. Dukan considers fat more harmful than carbs. Atkins advocates high fat so you dont go below calories required.

Dukan (IMHO) is the easier one to follow to get you to goal as there is no counting involved. You automatically have a calorie deficit. Atkins on the other hand .... weigh this and weigh that and trying to figure out net carbs... Not my cup of tea!

No that I am on Conso (which is supposed to be maintenance effectively), I am still losing (slowly). I eat all the veggies I can, now started eating bread every day and gone back to eating yogurts and having my coffee. And no low fat anything - its all full fat and with the skin on ! Let's not forget pigging out during my celebration meal! And I am still losing!

I think it all boils down to your body and what it likes. My body has no problem with high fat (and its tastier ) and I think I am still losing because of the heavy strength training I do. I am no longer in a calorie deficit or doing low carb - so it has to be that!

Have rambled on for a bit ... Hope some of this made sense

Wow, bonkers, you've done a lot of thinking about this! This has always been a tricky question for me. I've never tried Atkins, but I follow primal / paleo, which allows 'good' fats. But if you're going for weightloss, there are a few rules: 1. Keep your carbs below a certain level (under 50g a day to stay in ketosis). 2. Keep within your daily calorie goal. 3. Avoid the paleo blacklist (grains, starches, legumes, sugars...) So you can't really eat unlimited quantities like with dukan. And since fats have about 4 times more calories than carbs and proteins, gram for gram, I don't think you could eat a lot of fat and still lose weight. But everyone seems to react differently to food groups, so at the end of the day, all you can do is try something out and see if it works for you. My two cents, anyway

Interesting discussion... and, while ketogenic diets certainly do result in weight loss, I wonder what percentage of people stabilise that loss. (I don't mean that as a criticism of any of the ketogenic diets but it's true that some of us long termers have been dabbling with increasing fats or carbs.

I personally choose to increase carbs and exercise (thank you fitbit).

Dukanista said:

Wow, bonkers, you've done a lot of thinking about this! This has always been a tricky question for me. I've never tried Atkins, but I follow primal / paleo, which allows 'good' fats. But if you're going for weightloss, there are a few rules: 1. Keep your carbs below a certain level (under 50g a day to stay in ketosis). 2. Keep within your daily calorie goal. 3. Avoid the paleo blacklist (grains, starches, legumes, sugars...) So you can't really eat unlimited quantities like with dukan. And since fats have about 4 times more calories than carbs and proteins, gram for gram, I don't think you could eat a lot of fat and still lose weight. But everyone seems to react differently to food groups, so at the end of the day, all you can do is try something out and see if it works for you. My two cents, anyway

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Hahahaha... yes I did. For myself to get to the point of being able to enjoy my food and not feel restricted.

And I completely agree... its all what your body likes.

When people ask me how I managed to stay on track this time, my reply:

1. You have to ready, not just organized with food, but in your head you gotta be "in the zone"

2. Find a plan that works for you - not just what it entails (i.e. CC, Dukan, Paleo etc) but also how your body reacts to it.

Wise words! Your head is definitely in the right zone

Being in the zone is so true - I'm sure there's a little switch in the head - and when it's switched on dieting is easy!!!! - it's when it isn't it's hard - and getting it switched back on is really hard!!!

Yes, I'm gong to try and borrow Jo and Bonkers' on switch - they are clearly both in the right head space