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Please don't worry about the colour of your sticks - any colour change is good. I am pretty sure that darker colours DO NOT mean that you are dehydrated. Packs can stop the ketosis process in some people as they provide some carb content and bodies would rather burn carbs than fat. BTW current...

Glad you got it sorted. Could I just say to everyone that, in defence of GPs, they are entitled to charge for filling in the initial form as GPs are contracted to provide their services to the NHS and this is not NHS work. GPs do not get paid for having obese patients - they do get a tiny sum of...

Hi Busy bee, I hope you do start LL, I am currently on week 2, my second attempt and I can tell you that it works - you need to be receptive to the therapy and join in wholeheartedly to get the most out of it. I am a Practice nurse and I am not sure that I would be happy to fill in your form if...

thanks guys. Was on hols for my BD, hence missed the message Tina

Good luck Mike. Can I just say to all of you out there thinking of having a TT. This is MAJOR abdo surgery. Pick a very experienced surgeon. Be prepeared for post op complications, they are very common; lack of sensation/problems with healing/untidy scar/problems standing up straight/problems...

thanks guys - still considering Tina

Hi, I am considering a switch to SW, what sort of weight losses weekly can I expect? 1 - 2 lbs per week?? And can I do it online cos I'm not very keen to go to a class? Tina

I work in a GP surgery as a practice nurse and I can tell you that we have our scales recalibrated yearly BUT they are not particularly expensive and are only accurate to within 1 kg. If I were you I would go with your LLC's scales as if they are anything like my former LLC's scales they are...

Your hair falls out at the point it normally would, there are just not enough calories to spare for the body to bother re growing it. It should either re-grow sporadically or sort itself when you go into management. Your finger nails/toenails may grow more slowly too. Tina

I, too have left LLife. Very best of luck, scary isn't it? Tina

WOW prettyface, excellent post. I hope it will be taken in the spirit it was intended. Tina

Hi guys, I have made the decision to stop dieting for the time being. I have been trying for a year now to make a VLCD work for me again. It is time to admit that, for the moment, I cannot and do not want to commit to it. This is the right decision for me, an important decision. I do have a plan...

I really don't understand these posts that say 'I lost 10lbs week one and really disappointed with 3 lbs in week 2'. For Gods sake, what other diet would give you such huge losses in this way?? Where are these false expectations coming from? Please don't tell me it is coming from CDCs? Funny how...

Be very careful with this, you should really try to have the same amount of fat you would get in 4 packs per day. Atkins is not a high protein diet, it is a low carb, moderate protein/fat diet. You have the problem of mixing 2 diets here but they achieve the state of ketosis using different...

God icemoose, can I come live with you please? Every post of yours that I have read makes so much bloody sense!! Thank you Tina

On Atkins you start on 20 g carbs for the first 2 weeks and then you start to builld on carbs. Atkins never suggested a level for ketosis as this level is different for everyone. I am really not sure what would happen if you ate 2 packs per day and then other carbs up to the 56g you would be...

It is unnecessary and possibly dangerous (and certainly irresponsible for the chemist who sold you the packs to tell you this) to drink 6 - 10 litres per day. 4 litres is more than enough Tina

Hi festival fairy, please go to see your GP today to have anything problematic ruled out. Tina

xKimmi, what are your periods normally like (pre CD) and were you regular? There is no doubt that low carb and VLCDs interfere with some people's normal cycle and the effect seems to be worse for those on some form of contraception. However it would seem that for most people, this interference...

First day went great but disaster today (but I can 'rescue' it). Oddly still feel positive! Am I kidding myself?? Going home from work now so see you all later. Tina

Good luck Jules. Tina

Hi everyone, started today. I am just going to have my third pack now, will let you know tomorrow how it went. Everyone seems to be doing ok/well. JB, well done on your 2nd weeks loss - excellent result!! You seem very fired up! Tina

Hi girls, went to pick up my packs last night. Had an EXCELLENT session with the counsellor!! Feel very excited about starting on Sunday. Off to Bath now in my motorhome, see you Sunday. Tina

great post ABZ. Maybebaby, I have PM'd you Tina

KM, lean tissue IS muscle tissue. What you are saying is simply incorrect. Ketosis is a metabolic pathway and its effects on the body are the same regardless of how you induce the state. There are many myths about many diets but we need to stick to facts. People following a certain type of diet...

Can't let this one go. Atkins/atkins like diets do not target muscle tissue. When you eat a low carb/high fat diet it puts you into ketosis JUST like CD/LL /any VLCD. Being in ketosis means that your body consumes fat as its energy source. Akins and the like are not dangerous diets, there are...

Ooer - the SFG with sugar alcohols should not do that but not all of them have polyols as the sweetner. Tina

Kelly, are you eating it after a pack? If so, it is the pack taking you out of ketosis not the gum Tina

Sugar free gum usually contains polyols which are sugar alcohols. The body cannot use sugar alcohols for energy so it should not affect ketosis. However, gum can make you hungry, give you terrible flatulence and diarrhoea. Best not. Some don't have a problem with it YMMV. Tina

It is perfectly possible to cheat and remain in ketosis. It really depends what you cheat with. But we shouldn't really be saying this!! Tina

The packs have carbs in them and so your body will use the carbs in preference to body fat for energy. The packs therefore take you out of ketosis for 1 - 2 hours. Please don't get hung up on the ketosis thing. If you are folowing the diet correctly then it will work in the way that it should...

Love the emoticons JB, LMAO. You are right, Sunday IS the final restart. July is 1 year on and off LL and CD, not doing it for any longer than that. Tina

Party went well JB, not back on the diet today - can't face the CD packs but I am bored with eating which is a good sign. Not sure what I am going to do now for tomorrow and Wed as don't pick up my LL packs until Wed pm. But I will be restarting on Sunday of this week. Unfortunately I only have...

At long last, LL have seen reason!!!! Tina

Welcome Emma! Love Tina

Hi Emma, you are doing really well. Are you joining our little club?? Would be great to have you. Have a good weekend Tina

Well done JB, will be back Mon, have a good w/end both of you Tina

Hi guys, I am back on the diet today, friday and sat, family party Sunday. Feel very positive today. It is great to have this support isn't it? Good luck to both of you for today. When is weigh day JB? Tina

Drinking lots does NOT flush out fat! That is just not scientific. There is no evidence that drinking more fluid results in greater weight loss - this is largely a myth. This happens at LLife aswell. As a nurse I decided to do my own experiment last year on LL to prove catagorically to my LL...

If this is your first time doing the diet DON'T BREAK IT. This is THE only time you will be 100% committed and you need to maximise your weight loss otherwise you will be wasting your opportunities. Trust me - like the others, I know this. It is a story repeated over and over! It would be the...

See sweetie? Lots of people here for you. Who needs friends like yours? In times of trouble you find out who your friends are. Lean on your OH and family at this time of need. Don't hesitate to call the police - they have to take threats/stalking seriously. Don't eat for comfort - it's comfort...

I'm with the others - NEVER felt tired at work whilst on LL Tina

Have found the ticker site and set one up - how the f... do I get it on here?? Tina

Harri - for God's sake keep trying. I have been trying on and off for a year and as long as the trend is downwards it is ok. Get up tomorrow, start with 1 litre of water, then your first pack as late as you can manage. That way you can have all your packs relatively close together. Keep yourself...

Hi guys. I have decided to go back to LLife. The turnaround point was this am when I put on a skirt that was tight last week and now it is loose!! So I would be mad to stop now BUT I have to change as the packs on CD are really not for me. Day off today and Sun, back on the packs tomorrow, Fri...

Hi JB, not doing too well, lots of doubts about this method, feeling that I may well have to finally admit that this is not the way for me. The packs are starting to make me feel very sick and I am fed up with it all. Strange thing is that I know I could continue, just not sure that I want to...

Don't care what size my clothes are just want to feel right/look right Tina

It is true re gallstones, VLCDs increase the risk I'm afraid. As for drinking too much water - it is true that this could flush all your salts away BUT have you seen the salt levels in the packs AND in bottled water?? I think it is unlikely therefore that you could actually become unwell...

JB, I always feel ok after eating, I just dread the following day. I can honestly say that it has never p....d me off, perhaps that is the problem! Tina

Hi, have been on both, on CD at the mo for financial reasons. I can add to the above that there may be more flavours available with CD but LL packs def. taste better! CD is higher in total calories if you are on SS; LL packs have 125 cals, CD have 137. The bars are the same. CD changed recently...

Yep, had a really bad day yesterday, caved and ate chocolate and wine and batter and crisps!! Back on track today altho I am really hungry now, no surprise there then. Well done to both of you for sticking to it, nice to have some background details! harri, quite a lot of VLCDers seem to be...

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh - was just posting and pressed something and lost it - how annoying. I am having a poo day today, the packs are starting to make me feel sick and have just had an accident with a mix a mousse choc flavour (spilled it in the freezer). When I went to eat it it was disgusting!! I...

Steady on Kopcat, what's eating you? Tina

Jb, I am just about to have my peanut bar (yum), am doing ok today. Just trying to make sense of and episode of Lost! Tina

It is possible to become too hung up on the ketosis thing. Packs/bars take you out of ketosis for a period of time, the bars for longer so don't test witin 2 hours of ingesting a pack. You will lose weight just as fast in starvation mode BUT you will be digesting protein as well as fat (this...

Dieting don could get the same problem with the coil. Dd - go back to see your GP, it may be possible for you to take the norethisterone continually. I know that you say that you do not want to be on hormones but a hormone flooded body is a natural human state. Women are designed to be...

Low carb ketogenic diets are renowned for playing havoc with your menstrual cycle. It has to do with fluctuating oestrogen levels - as body fat is used up rapidly on a ketogenic diet, it releases oestrogen. This can mean that if you are using depo-provera which suppresses oestrogen, your periods...

Well done - I am soooooooo jealous (but in a good way!):) Tina

mini, they definitely do not fill me up as much as the other packs so I know what you mean. I find if I have one for breakfast, I spend the rest of the day feeling hungry - this is probably psychological but it is a pain in the a... I have just read on another thread that 3 packs and 1 bar per...

Smee123, your parents disapprove for one of 2 reasons; 1) they don't understand how the diet works/how carefully it is monitored/that it is based on safe nutrition 2) as doctors they have seen it all before i.e. seen people lose and pile it all back on again. Actually given that statistically...

Yep, the mannitol based bars give me terrible trapped wind but I am ok with the peanut and cranberry (soya based). BTW - correct me if I am wrong but ALL the packs take you out of ketosis for a short time as they contain carbohydrates, the bars for slightly longer perhaps as the carb content is...

It is probably the vitamins in the packs, if it doesn't settle you should see your GP, please don't 'mask' the symptoms using antihistamines, that just confuses the clinical picture. Tina

Hiya JB and Harri Glad to hear you are both staying strong. I got through yesterday ok but it was tough. God this is hard sometimes - bit like a roller coaster, up and down! I feel ok this am but the weekends are tough for me too Harri. I know I can do it though, will try to keep myself busy...

BTW, how do you add all those little bits to your profile? Tickers and stuff? T

Hi JB, sounds like day one is going well! I amd having a bit of a negative day today, not enouigh to send me to the choccie box but enough to be miserable. All the programmes I have watched from sky planner have made me cry!! Not sure what that is all about. I also have a headache. Let us know...

okey dokey folks, all tips taken on board, will try again later today! Tina

thanks jennikay. Tina

Hi, I have searched this but couldn't see my particular problem. Mixed the powders, used cold water, blender for 1 min but used 200 mls water not 150. Fridge for 15 mins, did not set!! Was it too much water?? Why didn't it set? Soooooooooo disappointed. Help please.... Tina

Hi Harri and JB, I have been weighed and lost a further 2 pounds which I am pleased with as that was with only 3 good days - think what it could have been if I had abstained for the whole week. I am feeling very positive again today. Harri - just don't have those conversations with yourself -...

I agree with nikki - do it at hers; her house, her child, her problem Tina

I agree with karenO, confidentiality should be a given with a counsellor - I doubt you could have changed the circumstances enough to fool your client had she logged into the forum. Even if it were impossible for her to have guessed, it displays a lack of professionalism which is worrying. i...

Great advice JB re distraction therapy. I usually eat my bar at the end of the day in front of the telly and see it as atreat - really look forward to it. JB - you absolutely CAN do it - I have had another brill day today (as well as yesterday) and I am CONVINCED that is a mental issue, god...

Hi Diane, I found it (obviously!) You asked if I had started on LL yet. I have been doing Cambridge and I have decided today to give it another week as money is tight and LL is quite a lot more per week (£19). I had 3 bad days last week and a fairly bad day yesterday but today I am back on...

Diane, am probably being very thick but I cannot find the main menu or the diaries - where is it?? Tina

Just found this thread and.......Oh my God are you in my head Mike? That is so true, this diet (CD at present but swapping back to LL soon) for me is a prison. When I did LL last year I hated EVERY SINGLE MINUTE and was soooooo neagtive to the point where even the weight loss didn't seem worth...

excellent! That sounds good Jellieb, am struggling at the mo with very bad indigestion - long story! Tina

buddies Harry and Jelliebabie, want to buddy up? Need all the help I can get!! Tina

hi Jellybabie, have you gone back to the programme yet? I was weighed yesterday and have lost 5 pounds since I was last weighed 3 weeks ago so I am quite chuffed. I am hoping to do quite well this week and will check in on the forum for support. The forum doesn't seem to be very busy tho'?? All...

Hi, I am going to be returning to LL next wed, currently on Cambridge diet but hate the packs. I started again this Mon for the upteenth time and managed 3 days before I caved today and ate some chocolate! I lost 4 stone and 2 pounds on LL last year; this did not take me to goal and really...