I'm currently doing 4 a day with a couple of tea's with skim milk, on second day. My hardest time is evening so I save one pack til before bedtime so I dont having hunger pains which effect my ability to sleep. this is my 5th restart, I found having the veg just made me crave food more wheras just having 4 shakes each made with about 500mls water, they are waterery is working for me, but does anyone find that just eating something leads them to be hungrier and wanting more??? I cant even do the meals/porridge/bars because I ate 8 bars in one go once...... just liquids are the only thing that doesn't make me think.... I need to have more but maybe thats because I'm on banana/strawberry flavours at the moment which aren't the niciest???? anyone relate???