On SS, what happens when BMI reaches 25

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  1. Kate78

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    Hi Everyone.

    I'm currently on SS, after moving over to CD after LL. I've just seen on the website that I need to come off SS when my BMI reaches 25. I should reach this weight in a couple of weeks, but wanted to go on a loose more weight after this (at least a stone) Will my CDC still sell me 4 packs/day (I'm tall) or do I have to move onto another stage of the programme, will this slow down my weight loss?

    Sorry, I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but just started worrying about it.

    Thanks, Kate
     
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    Yes, you will have to come off ss once you reach bmi 25. You should start to work through the plans with 1 week of ss+, 810, 1000, etc working towards maintenance. You will still loose weight on the higher plans so do not worry.

    It is not safe to ss with a bmi of 25 or below.
     
  4. emmaleighjohnson

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    This is so weird because my BMI is now below 25 and I was told to SS until I reach target (or 12 weeks, whichever is sooner) and then go through each of the steps for two weeks a time until I get to maintanence.
     
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    this incorrect emmaleigh. You should be moving up the plans now. If you want to confirm this please ask another CDC
     
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    I'm not really that bothered because it's easier for me to stay doing the same plan as my husband to support him but I don't want to do myself any harm in the long-term.
     
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    Emmaleigh I was told the same thing? Dancing do you think it could be that the CD changed Feburary of this year? i.e. 790 replaced by 810 and the SS with AAM was changed to being able to SS for 12 weeks without any AAM weeks. I have two booklets one new one from Feb and the previous one with details of AAM. I was confused when I joined minimins as at the time I did not know what AAM was. Guess better to get more CDC opinions on this.
     
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    the point is you SHOULD be bothered. There is a reason they say to move up at BMI 25 - to protect your heart. Your heart is a muscle. When you have very little fat left to use as energy (while in ketosis) your body will start to eat at the muscle instead. You really should not be doing SS now.
     
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    I'm glad you said this Kira; for a second there I thought my CDC was trying to get more money out of me rather than support my weight loss. I'm a paranoid Pamela.
     
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    it doesn't matter whether you are on the old plan or the new plan. Noone should be SSing once they get to BMI25
     
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    it MAY be different if you are on SS+ ... that should be checked. I just know that SS means BMI greater than 25
     
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    Oh! Dancing I loved your posts! Firm and to the point! I'm usually a lurker as opposed to poster and love your posts. You really are very inspiring. Well hopefully some CDC's will post to confirm as well but I do agree with the point you are making. Health has to come first. My BMi is now 24.5 so I should no longer be SSing. I am seeing my CDC tomorrow for a weigh is so will also see what she says. I would hate to think a CDC would encourage one to stay on SSing simply for the money - I'm should 99% wouldn't.
     
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    official reply from Cambridge Diet (on the Cambridge Diet official website forum)
    Dear All,

    The Cambridge guidance (taking in to account both COMA and NICE) is as follows: -

    COMA states that you can’t be on a VLCD programme (below 800 kcal/day) if you have a BMI 0f 25 or under.

    Therefore Cambridge’s guidance is that you cannot START a VLCD (Sole Source or Sole Souce+) unless your BMI is 25 + 1 stone.

    However, if you started one of our VLCD programmes with a BMI of 30 for example, you could then remain on a VLCD programme until your BMI was 25, before moving to the 810 programme and working up the plans to your goal weight.

    Some counsellors advise that once a dieter reaches a BMI of 26, they move from SS to SS+ to get used to introducing food, before moving to the 810 programme. This may ease the jump (from SS to 810) for some slimmers and still enables them to lose weight at a very similar rate to being on SS.

    I hope this helps clear up any questions.

    Please note that the literature is correct.

    If you have any queries, please speak to your counsellor who can then speak to the relevant member of staff at head office for clarification if required

    SS+ is a vlcd too - you should not be SSing/SS+ing but should be on a higher plan now
     
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    i really should practice my social nicetees:rolleyes:

    i just don't want people damaging themselves. The bit I pasted above is from Kerensa Preedy-Houston
     
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    Just to re-iterate, the new books which include the SS+ information say that SS and SS+ (both variants) are not to be followed below BMI 25. It says it in the first paragraph of each page.

    810 can be followed until goal however, which is 3/4 cd a day plus the milk and the meal from the SS+ diet.
     
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    Dancing that is really helpful thank you!! You don't need to practice social nicetees! You are clearly very passionate when you beleive in something and of course you are right!! Now I'v read that it does make sense. I guess I will not be SSing from tomorrow! Will let you know how I get on!
     
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    thanks Kira.

    I'd like to know if your CDC is telling you to continue on SS though - she should not be practicing as a CDC if she is telling her clients this.
     
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    That is so worrying because my BMI was 26.1 when I started so it was 25+7lbs so (going by what Dancing in saying) I should never have been allowed to start in the first place.
     
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    Emmaleigh don't panic about it. You can do something about. You need to speak to your CDC as soon as you can. You have to tell her you do not want to jeopardize your health. I guess you could if her the benefit of the doubt (if you are a softy like me!) I hate confrontation! However, you do need a straight answer from her.
     
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    no, don't panic. Do speak to your CDCs. Tell her/him you have read the official Cambridge Diet line on this (and tell her/him it is from Kerensa - they will know who she is) if your CDCs continue to say it is ok to SS
     
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    Hi

    Everything Dancing has posted is correct, thank you for doing this.

    It may be an idea to print off Kerensa's guidance and take it with you.

    At a BMI 26 the lowest plan you should have started on is the 810. The 810 programme can be continued down to BMI 20 if European or 18.5 if Asian. However, its best to introduce the stablisation steps before your bottom allowable BMI. Eg for Europeans I would allow 810 down to 22.5/23 then work a week at each of the other steps.

    With regard to the BMI 25 plus a stone to START a VLCD (ss or ss+) this applies to all regardless of ethnicity.
     
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