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  1. #16
    ♥2 Years Maintaining♥

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    Diet: Lipotrim, Exante
    Start Weight: 19st6lb
    Current Weight: 11st6lb


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 8st0lb
    % Lost 41.18%


    Accomplishment comes to those who say "I can make it happen".

    Started LT TFR weighing 19st 6.5lbs
    Weeks 1-22 ~ 6st 10.5lbs gone
    Finishing Weight ~ 12st 10lbs
    Restarted TFR weighing 13st 13lbs
    (+1st 3lbs over summer)
    Weeks 1-9 ~ 2st 7lbs gone
    Finishing Weight ~ 11st 6lbs
    Total Loss on TFR = 8st 0.5lbs!!!

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    Plymouth 10k 06.11.2011 completed in 1:04:58
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    Plymouth 1/2 Marathon 03.06.12
    Torbay 10k 26.08.12
    Bristol 1/2 Marathon 30.09.12

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    Maintaing LT loss on GL
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    Diet: TFR/GL
    Height: 5ft8in
    Start Date: 1/09/09
    Start Weight: 21st0lb
    Current Weight: 12st12lb
    Goal Weight: 12st12lb
    Goal Date: No date- it's for life!!


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 44.7
    Current BMI: 27.4
    Goal BMI: 27.4


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 8st2lb
    % Lost 38.78%
    3lbs in a whole bloomin year!!!!! I am soooo jealous!!! No mean feat and the result of very careful management, so jolly well done. When are you bringing out your own diet book!



    http://www.minimins.com/gi-diet-supp...011-diary.html
    http://www.minimins.com/gi-diet-supp...-gl-diary.html
    Total loss :116lbs = 63 inches at 31/08/10
    Lipotrim = 87 lbs and 53.5 inches
    GL = 29lbs and 9.5 inches


    Year One 1/09/2009 - 31/08/2010
    Wk 01-28 87 lbs lost and 53.5 inches overall lost on TFR
    Wk 29-52 29lbs lost and 9.5 inches lost on GL
    Goal!!!! 116lbs lost and 63 inches lost overall. Size 28 down to Size 14!!!!


    Year Two 01/09/2010-31/08/2011 Maintaining both GL and TFR losses
    Only major gain was over Xmas period. Gained 9lbs. Lost this by mid Feb through portion control and eating low GL foods.


    Year Three 01/09/2011- 31/08/2012
    Had a 9lb gain again over the Xmas hols and lost this by March 2012.
    19/03/2012 Weight is 180. This is upper end of my 170-180 range so need to cut back a lttle.

  3. #18
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    Diet: Slimming World, Dietchef, Lipotrim - now maintaining (I hope!).
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Weight: 15st9.5lb
    Current Weight: 11st10.8lb
    Goal Weight: 10st7lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 35.4
    Current BMI: 26.6
    Goal BMI: 23.7


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 3st12.7lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st3.8lb
    % Lost 24.92%
    Ah thank you both

    HaHa - Irish ANOTHER diet book??? I think there are more than enough out there already . In any case I've spent the last year firefighting most of the time! I by NO means have anything 'sussed'! Still! It's where we want to be so we have to do whatever it takes to keep us here! Hopefully over time it will become easier! xx











    SW & Diet Chef - total of 23.7lbs lost

    Lipotrim
    16/2/09 - 31/5/09 (15 wks) - 47.0

    Started refeeding 1/6

    8/6/09 Wk1 refeed STS!
    15/6/09 Wk2 refeed -1.2 = 48.2

    The hard work of maintenance started on 15/6/09 I finshed LT and refeed at
    10st 7.6lbs. (Lost 48.2lbs on LT - 71.9lbs altogether since my heaviest)

    Week by week record of maintenance fluctuations & weights here;-
    http://www.minimins.com/lipotrim-mai...ml#post2350493


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    I update mine too ;-)


    Start weight 14st 10lbs. Lost 1 st 7lbs on WW.
    Start Weight on Lipotrim 08/01/09 - 13st 3lbs.
    Finish weight 26/03/09 - 10st 6lbs.

  5. #20
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    Diet: Slimming World, Dietchef, Lipotrim - now maintaining (I hope!).
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Weight: 15st9.5lb
    Current Weight: 11st10.8lb
    Goal Weight: 10st7lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 35.4
    Current BMI: 26.6
    Goal BMI: 23.7


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 3st12.7lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st3.8lb
    % Lost 24.92%
    Still keep updating! xx











    SW & Diet Chef - total of 23.7lbs lost

    Lipotrim
    16/2/09 - 31/5/09 (15 wks) - 47.0

    Started refeeding 1/6

    8/6/09 Wk1 refeed STS!
    15/6/09 Wk2 refeed -1.2 = 48.2

    The hard work of maintenance started on 15/6/09 I finshed LT and refeed at
    10st 7.6lbs. (Lost 48.2lbs on LT - 71.9lbs altogether since my heaviest)

    Week by week record of maintenance fluctuations & weights here;-
    http://www.minimins.com/lipotrim-mai...ml#post2350493


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    ♥2 Years Maintaining♥

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    Diet: Lipotrim, Exante
    Start Weight: 19st6lb
    Current Weight: 11st6lb


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 8st0lb
    % Lost 41.18%
    This is fab Jan Wish i had thought of it!


    Accomplishment comes to those who say "I can make it happen".

    Started LT TFR weighing 19st 6.5lbs
    Weeks 1-22 ~ 6st 10.5lbs gone
    Finishing Weight ~ 12st 10lbs
    Restarted TFR weighing 13st 13lbs
    (+1st 3lbs over summer)
    Weeks 1-9 ~ 2st 7lbs gone
    Finishing Weight ~ 11st 6lbs
    Total Loss on TFR = 8st 0.5lbs!!!

    *************************************************
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    Bridge to 10k Challenge

    Plymouth 1/2 Marathon 29.05.2011 completed in 2:40:05

    Plymouth 10k 06.11.2011 completed in 1:04:58
    Plymouth 5k Reindeer Run 27.11.11 completed in 35:38
    Plymouth 1/2 Marathon 03.06.12
    Torbay 10k 26.08.12
    Bristol 1/2 Marathon 30.09.12

    www.justgiving.com/tanyaglynn

    *************************************************





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    Diet: Lipotrim
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Date: 6/01/2011
    Start Weight: 12st12lb
    Current Weight: 11st2lb
    Goal Weight: 10st0lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 29
    Current BMI: 25.2
    Goal BMI: 22.6


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 1st10lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st2lb
    % Lost 13.33%

    maintenance lt

    so on the maintenance plan u can drink? is it just 2 shakes a day

    Quote Originally Posted by JanD View Post
    It didn't seem right to just go and delete all this detail from my signature without keeping it elsewhere so I'm copying it here. I think I may like to look at it in the future and other people may be interested in seeing the ups and downs of maintenance too.

    I started this (final!) weight loss journey at 15st 9.5lbs ... heaviest ever!

    With a combination of Slimming World and Diet Chef I had lost 23.7lbs very slowly and yo-yo-ey up until 16th Feb 2009

    I started Lipotrim then at 13st 13.8lbs

    Finished 15 wks of TFR and 2 wks of refeed on 15th June 2009 at 10st 7.6lbs. A total loss of 71.9lbs or 5st 1.9lbs

    Maintenance

    Wk1 22/6/09 After 5 days away & some booze -2lbs = 50.2 on LT
    Wk2 29/6/09 -1lb = 51.2 on LT (74.9 altogether) (10st 4.6lbs)
    Wk3 6/7/09 -0.6 = 51.8 (75.5)
    Wk4 13/7/09 +0.6 = 51.2 (74.9)
    Wk5 20/7/09 -1.4 = 52.6 (76.3) (10st 3.2lbs the lightest I've been on maintenance)
    Wk6 27/7/09 +1 = 51.6 (75.3)
    Wk7 03/08/09 +0.6 = 51 (74.7)
    Wk8 10/08/09 -1 = 52 (75.7)
    Wk9 17/8/09 +0.6 = 51.4 (75.1)
    Wk10 24/8/09 -0.8 = 52.2 (75.9) (10st 3.6lbs)
    Wk11 31/08/09 +1.4 = 50.8 (74.5)
    2 wks hols 1st-15th Sept. (Wks 12&13)
    Wk14 21/9/09 +1.4 = 49.4 (73.1)
    Wk15 28/9/09 +1.4 (AGAIN!) 48 (71.7) ( 10st 7.8lbs)
    Wk16 05/10/09 -2.8 = 50.8 (74.5) (10st 5lbs)
    Wk17 12/10/09 No WI
    Wk18 19/10/09 +1.6 = 49.2 (72.9) (10st 6.6lbs)
    Wk 19 26/10/09 No (official) WI
    Wk 20 2/11/09 sts = 49.2 (72.9) (10st 6.6lbs)
    Hols 2nd-12th (Wk 21)
    Wk 22 16/11/09 +1 = 48.2 (71.9)
    Wk 23 23/11/09 -0.6 = 48.8 (72.5)
    Wk 24 30/11/09 -2 = 50.8 (74.5) (10st 5lbs)
    Wk 25 7/12/09 - 0.2 = 51 (74.7)
    Wk 26 14/12/09 +1.6 = 49.4 (73.1)
    Wk 27 21/12/09 -2.2 = 51.6 (75.3) (10st 4.2lbs)
    Wk 28 27/12/09 No way I'm getting weighed!
    Wk 29 4/1/10 Time to face the music +4.6 = 47 (70.7) (10st 8.8lbs)
    Wk 30 11/1/10 +3.2 = 43.8 (67.5) (10st 12lbs)
    Wk 31 18/1/10 -3.6 = 47.4 (71.1)
    Wk 32 25/1/10 -0.2 = 47.6 (71.3) (10st 8.2lbs)
    Wk 33 1/2/10 +1.2 = 46.4 (70.1)
    Wk 34 8/2/10 +2.8 = 43.6 (67.3) (10st 12.2lbs) Wk 35 15/2 -3.8 = 47.4 (71.1)
    Wk 36 22/2/10 +0.4 = 47 (70.7) (10st 8.8lbs)
    Wk 37 1/3/10 -1.8lbs = 48.8 (72.5) (10st 7lbs)
    Wk 38 8/3/10 -1lb = 49.8 (73.5) (10st 6lbs)
    Wk 39 15/3/10 No WI (had mother's day!)
    Away 21st - 29th March (Wks 40&41)
    Wk 41 30/3/10 (a day late) +6.6lbs = 43.2 (66.9) (10st 12.6lbs)
    Wk 42 5/4/10 -3.8lbs = 47 (70.7) (10st 8.8lbs)
    Wk 43 12/4/10 +1.4lbs = 45.6 (69.3) (10st 10.2lbs)
    Wk 44 19/4/10 -1lb = 46.6 (70.3) (10st 9.2lbs)
    Wk 45 26/4/10 -0.4lb = 47 (70.7) (10st 8.8lbs)
    Wk 46 03/05/10 -2.6lbs = 49.6 (73.3) (10st 6.2lbs)
    Wk 47 10/5/10 -0.6lb = 50.2 (73.9) (10st 5.6lbs)
    Wk 48 17/5/10 No wi - 4got to weigh b4 going away but probably wouldn't have weighed anyway tbh
    Wk 49 24/5/10 No wi not back till tues
    Wk 50 31/5/10 +4.4lbs = 45.8 (69.5) (10st 10lbs)
    Wk 51 08/06/10 (day late) +1lb = 44.8 (68.5) (10st 11lbs) this after a celebration birthday weekend.
    Wk 52 ONE WHOLE YEAR DONE 14/6/10 -0.2lb = 45 (68.7) (10st 10.8lbs just 3.2lbs over 52 wks ago )
    Wk 53 21/06/10 Not a great start to the second year! +2.2lbs (10st 13lbs)
    Wk 54 28/06/10 -2.8lbs = 45.6 (69.3) (10st 10.2lbs)
    Wk 55 05/07/10 -2.4lbs = 48 (71.7) (10st 7.8lbs)
    Wk 56 12/07/10 +1lb = 47 (70.7) (10st 8.8lbs)
    Wk 57 19/07/10 -1.6lbs = 48.6 (72.3) (10st 7.2lbs)
    Wk 58 25/07/10 -0.6lb = 49.2 (72.9) (10st 6.6lbs)
    Wk 59 1/8/10 STS
    Wk 60 10/8/10 (day late) + 1.6lbs = 47.6 (71.3) (10st 8.2lbs)
    Wk 61 16/8/10 -1lb = 48.6 (72.3)(10st 7.2lbs)
    Wk 62 23/8/10 -0.6lb = 49.2 (72.9)(10st 6.6lbs)
    Wk 63 30/8/10 -0.6lb = 49.8 (73.5) (10st 6lbs)
    Wk 64 08/09/10 (2 days late) -0.4lb = 50.2 (73.9)
    2 weeks hols 12th-26th Sept (Wks 64&65) - Will not weigh on 27th the day after flying! (Wk 66)
    Wk 67 04/10/10 + 2.6lbs = 47.6 (71.3) (10st 8.2lbs) Not too bad after hols
    Wk 68 11/10/10 +1lb = 46.6 (70.3) (10st 9.2lbs)
    Away 18th-25th (Wks 69 + 70)
    Wk 71 1/11/10 +1lb = 45.6 (69.3) (10st 10.2lbs) After another holiday.
    Wk 72 8/11/10 -0.8lb = 46.4 (70.1) (10st 9.4lbs)
    Wk 73 15/11/10 -0.4lb = 46.8 (70.5) (10st 9lbs)
    Wk 74 22/11/10 +2.6lbs = 44.2 (67.9) (10st 11.6lbs)
    Wk 75 29/11/10 -3lbs = 47.2 (70.9) (10st 8.6lbs)
    Wk 76 6/12/10 No wi - away.
    Wk 77 13/12/10 +4.8lbs (10st 13.4lbs)
    Wk 78 19/12/10 (day early) -4.6lbs (10st 8.8lbs)
    Wk 79 - Xmas
    Wk 80 - New Year
    Wk 81 10/1/11 +5lbs (10st 13.8lbs) Heaviest so far but limited by doing weightwatchers propoints for a week
    Wk 82 17/1/11 STS (2nd wk on WW PP )
    xx Sarah Lou xx

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    Diet: Lipotrim
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Date: 6/01/2011
    Start Weight: 12st12lb
    Current Weight: 11st2lb
    Goal Weight: 10st0lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 29
    Current BMI: 25.2
    Goal BMI: 22.6


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 1st10lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st2lb
    % Lost 13.33%
    so on the maintenance plan u can drink? is it just 2 shakes a day
    xx Sarah Lou xx

  9. #24
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    Diet: Slimming World, Dietchef, Lipotrim - now maintaining (I hope!).
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Weight: 15st9.5lb
    Current Weight: 11st10.8lb
    Goal Weight: 10st7lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 35.4
    Current BMI: 26.6
    Goal BMI: 23.7


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 3st12.7lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st3.8lb
    % Lost 24.92%
    I'm not on the maintenance plan hon. I'm maintaining my weight (or trying to ) Good luck with your LT journey xx
    Last edited by JanD : 13th April, 2011 at 05:08 PM











    SW & Diet Chef - total of 23.7lbs lost

    Lipotrim
    16/2/09 - 31/5/09 (15 wks) - 47.0

    Started refeeding 1/6

    8/6/09 Wk1 refeed STS!
    15/6/09 Wk2 refeed -1.2 = 48.2

    The hard work of maintenance started on 15/6/09 I finshed LT and refeed at
    10st 7.6lbs. (Lost 48.2lbs on LT - 71.9lbs altogether since my heaviest)

    Week by week record of maintenance fluctuations & weights here;-
    http://www.minimins.com/lipotrim-mai...ml#post2350493


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    Diet: CD/ VLCD
    Height: 5ft3in
    Start Date: 9th May 2011
    Start Weight: 12st1lb
    Current Weight: 11st8.5lb
    Goal Weight: 9st7lb
    Goal Date: August


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 29.9
    Current BMI: 28.8
    Goal BMI: 23.6


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 0st6.5lb
    Weight to Lose: 2st1.5lb
    % Lost 3.85%
    Thanks ladies, these positive stories of people actually keeping the weight off is what we really need to realise it is going to all be worth it. O'h and well done!!!!!


    Goals
    Wk 1 - 8lb
    Wk 2 - +2.5 (v. bad 4 days )

    7lb loss
    Into 10's

  11. #26
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    Diet: Slimming World, Dietchef, Lipotrim - now maintaining (I hope!).
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Weight: 15st9.5lb
    Current Weight: 11st10.8lb
    Goal Weight: 10st7lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 35.4
    Current BMI: 26.6
    Goal BMI: 23.7


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 3st12.7lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st3.8lb
    % Lost 24.92%
    Thank you

    It's not easy but it's gotta be done!! x











    SW & Diet Chef - total of 23.7lbs lost

    Lipotrim
    16/2/09 - 31/5/09 (15 wks) - 47.0

    Started refeeding 1/6

    8/6/09 Wk1 refeed STS!
    15/6/09 Wk2 refeed -1.2 = 48.2

    The hard work of maintenance started on 15/6/09 I finshed LT and refeed at
    10st 7.6lbs. (Lost 48.2lbs on LT - 71.9lbs altogether since my heaviest)

    Week by week record of maintenance fluctuations & weights here;-
    http://www.minimins.com/lipotrim-mai...ml#post2350493


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    I'm only on day 2 of lipotrim and can't stand the taste or texture I so want to get the exta weight off but this is really hard!!

    Week 1, 5/6/2011 Start weight 13stone 8 pounds

  13. #28
    maintaining since June'09
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    Diet: Slimming World, Dietchef, Lipotrim - now maintaining (I hope!).
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Weight: 15st9.5lb
    Current Weight: 11st10.8lb
    Goal Weight: 10st7lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 35.4
    Current BMI: 26.6
    Goal BMI: 23.7


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 3st12.7lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st3.8lb
    % Lost 24.92%
    It's so worth it if you can stick at it though hon!

    I know this place can be a bit confusing but if you try to make sure you post in the main Lipotrim forum you'll get lots of support from people in the same boat. This is the maintenance section. But stick at it and you'll soon be joining us!!!

    Good Luck x











    SW & Diet Chef - total of 23.7lbs lost

    Lipotrim
    16/2/09 - 31/5/09 (15 wks) - 47.0

    Started refeeding 1/6

    8/6/09 Wk1 refeed STS!
    15/6/09 Wk2 refeed -1.2 = 48.2

    The hard work of maintenance started on 15/6/09 I finshed LT and refeed at
    10st 7.6lbs. (Lost 48.2lbs on LT - 71.9lbs altogether since my heaviest)

    Week by week record of maintenance fluctuations & weights here;-
    http://www.minimins.com/lipotrim-mai...ml#post2350493


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    Diet: Slimming World, Dietchef, Lipotrim - now maintaining (I hope!).
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Weight: 15st9.5lb
    Current Weight: 11st10.8lb
    Goal Weight: 10st7lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 35.4
    Current BMI: 26.6
    Goal BMI: 23.7


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 3st12.7lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st3.8lb
    % Lost 24.92%
    Two years maintenance completed xx











    SW & Diet Chef - total of 23.7lbs lost

    Lipotrim
    16/2/09 - 31/5/09 (15 wks) - 47.0

    Started refeeding 1/6

    8/6/09 Wk1 refeed STS!
    15/6/09 Wk2 refeed -1.2 = 48.2

    The hard work of maintenance started on 15/6/09 I finshed LT and refeed at
    10st 7.6lbs. (Lost 48.2lbs on LT - 71.9lbs altogether since my heaviest)

    Week by week record of maintenance fluctuations & weights here;-
    http://www.minimins.com/lipotrim-mai...ml#post2350493


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    maintaining since June'09
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    Diet: Slimming World, Dietchef, Lipotrim - now maintaining (I hope!).
    Height: 5ft6in
    Start Weight: 15st9.5lb
    Current Weight: 11st10.8lb
    Goal Weight: 10st7lb


    BMI Information:
    Start BMI: 35.4
    Current BMI: 26.6
    Goal BMI: 23.7


    Statistics:
    Total Weight Loss: 3st12.7lb
    Weight to Lose: 1st3.8lb
    % Lost 24.92%
    Still sharing the ups and downs of maintenance ... in this case (9/4/12) big UPS!! Following an all inclusive holiday in the maldives xx











    SW & Diet Chef - total of 23.7lbs lost

    Lipotrim
    16/2/09 - 31/5/09 (15 wks) - 47.0

    Started refeeding 1/6

    8/6/09 Wk1 refeed STS!
    15/6/09 Wk2 refeed -1.2 = 48.2

    The hard work of maintenance started on 15/6/09 I finshed LT and refeed at
    10st 7.6lbs. (Lost 48.2lbs on LT - 71.9lbs altogether since my heaviest)

    Week by week record of maintenance fluctuations & weights here;-
    http://www.minimins.com/lipotrim-mai...ml#post2350493


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