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Dancing · 16th May, 2008

making good progress. An alternative to tofu and quorn for veges and another option for meat eaters is perhaps having one protein shake a day. Holland & Barratt stock Soya Protein powder which has low fat and low carb. It is brilliant ...and can be flavoured with decaf coffee if people don't like the plain flavour of it

Dinosaur · 16th May, 2008

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Originally Posted by mikey

I found an interesting link of 1000 kcal meals at 1000 Calorie Diet Menu

It is a very simplistic menu and I would remove the potatoes and bread and replace with more protein and leafy greens.

I just looked at their sample menu, and it's LOADS to eat

I guess if I replace the Potato's/bread with 50% protein / 50% extra veg and take a multivit, I'll be ok for 4 days. I'm planning on doing 1 day low carb eating/1 day SS to make sure that I don't a) slip off the SS bandwagon and b) get my 'nutrients' in as stable a way as possible.

Soraya · 16th May, 2008

Hi,

I'm really not an expert, I learnt what I know through sites like this!

A not very exciting menu today was:

Atkins shake 10 cals 2g carb 15g protein
chicken breast (200g) 232 0 44
green salad 18 3 2
extra low cal mayo 15 2 0
baked sea bass 300 1 46
asparagus 4 spears 15 3 1
mushrooms 6 27 4 3
4 sprays butter/oil 4 0 0
blueberries 20 15 4 0

Total: Cals: 793, Carb 18g, 111g protein

pretty high in protein and I struggled with the 2 bits of seabass. Thank goodness Tesco sell cheap(ish) fish in the frozen section!

These are the figures according to a combination of fitday.com and because it's very american and doesn't have UK foods like Marmite (!) in, I spend a lot of time typing in the backs of food packets!

Look forward to seeing what you come up with! Loads of people have posted some really good menus on the low carb menu post too, I've nicked some great meal ideas from there!

mikey · 17th May, 2008

Cheers for your comments and ideas all - looks like I should be able to make a plan to meet my requirements - a couple of weeks every now again of healthy food at VLCD levels.

Skyemagic · 18th May, 2008

Hi Mike,
what a great idea..would you be willing to share? To be honest once I'm done with CD I would rather try and avoid these rather bland things myself...

Will be watching with great interest..

xxx

Sez · 18th May, 2008

Fantastic thread, although I am a long way off "real" food just now. I would really like to be able to dip in and out of protein based diets as there are times when I personally find the restrictions of a long term VLCD far too anti social. I am fine with water, black coffee etc, the no alchohol doesnt affect me at all (altho I am def NOT t-total!), but being able to go out to eat with friends, share a summer bbq or whatever is so very hard.

The thought of being able to follow a diet that is possibly nutritionally complete yet, more acceptable socially is very appealing.

I shall follow this thread with great interest. Thank you.

**debz32** · 18th May, 2008

great thread Mikey....will be watching this one !

thanks

Debz x

KD · 18th May, 2008

I'm with minilady on this one

mikey · 18th May, 2008

Thanks for your comments,
I will share all on this thread as and when I "get it together"

I will try it for myself of course!

Regarding the comments about starvation mode - Taken, but fasting is a natural way for humans to be and is even embodied in many religions - Lent, ramadam (although without the gorging in the evening). I see using a VLCD as a way of controlling weight safely.

I have been looking at what makes the LL meals and bars nutritionally complete - it just seems to be a bunch of vitamins and minerals - so unless I am mistaken, it should be very easy to come up with an appropriate set of menus to be accompanied by a quality multi-vitamin supplement.

minilady · 18th May, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey

Thanks for your comments,
I will share all on this thread as and when I "get it together"

I will try it for myself of course!

Regarding the comments about starvation mode - Taken, but fasting is a natural way for humans to be and is even embodied in many religions - Lent, ramadam (although without the gorging in the evening). I see using a VLCD as a way of controlling weight safely.

Most people that follow fasting traditions have done so since childhood and on the whole eat extremely healthily in between. They fast for religious reasons, not for loosing a few pounds. Fasting for health reasons is very different. It is thought healthy to fast for different medical conditions, but fasting is only recommended to be undertaken for short spells usually twice a year (during the spring and Autumn months). Fasting isn't recomended for weight maintenance.

In your original post you mentioned only using a vlcd if you have overindulged after reaching goal and have put on a little weight. But if your BMI were still between 20 -25 then using a vlcd that puts you into ketosis wouldn't be healthy. If you are in ketosis and don't have a lot of body fat then lean muscle tissue would be used for energy, therefore possibly putting strain on the heart.

I have been looking at what makes the LL meals and bars nutritionally complete - it just seems to be a bunch of vitamins and minerals - so unless I am mistaken, it should be very easy to come up with an appropriate set of menus to be accompanied by a quality multi-vitamin supplement.

I only mention these things as other forum members seem very interested in your ideas and I feel that I should draw attention to any possible risks.

Tracey
x

KD · 18th May, 2008

I have to say that this thread has really piqued my interest. I've avoided saying anything (well...except for my short message earlier), but am always interested in how people plan to maintain their weight once at goal. So, please don't think I'm having a go/trying to argue.

I'm just curious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey

try to formulate a healthy VLCD that I can use from time to time as needed to control my weight - e.g before or after a holiday, or after a business trip with hotel/restaurant meals.

But, assuming that your CBT with LL works, then surely you wont need to

Or perhaps not need to take such extreme measures.

Are you sure it's not going to work for you? It may do ya know

I know that when I returned from holidays pre VLCD, I could put on close to a stone, but since doing all the head stuff

I went to Canada for a couple of weeks, didn't deprive myself of anything, thoroughly enjoyed my food, yet came home only 4lbs heavier. I just didn't feel the need to overeat whilst I was there. Just enjoyed the different flavours and textures...that was enough.

It was quickly lost by just taking a few days of extra awareness over what I was eating.

Assuming you have done the necessary therapy that you've paid for, and put it into action, you may not put on anything. But just say you put on a similar amount. I would think that you would lose it very quickly on any type of VLCD. What happens then? Will you do the RTM again, or an Atkins version of replenishing you glycogen to stop the gain?

Or will you go under target to account for that?

It just seems so harsh, besides being possibly quite psychologically damaging, just to lose a few pounds

But there again, perhaps you only intend to do this after a larger gain? Yo-yo ing up and down. I know people do this, but it just seems like a heck of a waste of money doing the CBT if that is what you plan is. Besides, I've never heard of people planning to do it before they reach goal

So anyway. These thoughts have been going through my head since the start of the thread, and I just can't keep it to myself any longer

I really am just interested

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Originally Posted by Soraya

Atkins shake 10 cals 2g carb 15g protein

Crikey Soraya. That was one tiny shake

Hope you enjoyed it.

Dancing · 18th May, 2008

he he KD ... I thought there had to be something brewing up in you!

You and Tracey both have excellent points.

I'm certainly interested in what Mike comes up with but only from an interest point of view not because I'll be using it (Low GI for me to maintain and the 80/20 rule ... and of course trying to sort my head out!).

I particularly like that Tracey has pointed out about the BMI / vlcd issue ... but perhaps this is mitigated for by ensuring protein intake is at least 50g per day ... the idea being that is enough to stop the body using its own muscle as an energy source.?

Getting onto the CBT. The LL CBT certainly is a good basis to work from but does require effort by the individual (I wasn't too good at putting the required effort in). Also, in my experience the sessions weren't really thorough enough.... private CBT for me in the future when I can afford it.

mikey · 19th May, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by KD

I have to say that this thread has really piqued my interest. I've avoided saying anything (well...except for my short message earlier), but am always interested in how people plan to maintain their weight once at goal. So, please don't think I'm having a go/trying to argue.

I'm just curious.

Thanks for that - all comments are welcome and help to enlighten me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KD

But, assuming that your CBT with LL works, then surely you wont need to

Or perhaps not need to take such extreme measures.

Are you sure it's not going to work for you? It may do ya know

The CBT will work fine (I hope!).

My LLC has pointed out several times that people without weight problems have a weight that fluctuates naturally, and that they put on weight (for example on holiday) and then lose it by cutting back.

I don't really see how CBT can stop you putting on a few pounds when you eat out on holiday for 2 weeks - even if you eat carefully!

This is just my version of what people used to do before/after a holiday.

Poeple do it all the time in dangerous ways - slimfast, starvation, vinegar and honey, miracle cabbage soup. This will be a healthy way to get the body back in tune after a little indulgence - that is all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KD

Assuming you have done the necessary therapy that you've paid for, and put it into action, you may not put on anything. But just say you put on a similar amount. I would think that you would lose it very quickly on any type of VLCD. What happens then? Will you do the RTM again, or an Atkins version of replenishing you glycogen to stop the gain?

Or will you go under target to account for that?

It just seems so harsh, besides being possibly quite psychologically damaging, just to lose a few pounds

But there again, perhaps you only intend to do this after a larger gain? Yo-yo ing up and down. I know people do this, but it just seems like a heck of a waste of money doing the CBT if that is what you plan is. Besides, I've never heard of people planning to do it before they reach goal

In my line of work it is sometimes very difficult not to eat and it is often in hotels/restaurants/pubs where you are at the mercy of the chef. All I want to do is be able to easily control my w

16th May, 2008	#16 (permalink)
Dancing Forum Master Dancing's Profile Albums Dancing's Photo Gallery Join Date: 11th September, 2007 Location: Surrey Posts: 4,393 Rep Power: 125	making good progress. An alternative to tofu and quorn for veges and another option for meat eaters is perhaps having one protein shake a day. Holland & Barratt stock Soya Protein powder which has low fat and low carb. It is brilliant ...and can be flavoured with decaf coffee if people don't like the plain flavour of it __________________ New ticker - 26 July 2008 wk 1: -10.5lbs wk 2: - 0lbs ... but i didn't gain. Weigh exactly the same, despite my mini break ------------------------------ What I achieved by March 2008 ..... The ticker below is not up to date as I put some weight back on while trying to lose the last 1.5stone Started vlcd Sep 2007: 20 stone 1lb Lost 91 lbs by 13/04/08 14.0 inches lost off my waist so far 8.5 inches lost off my bust/back so far 10.5 inches off my hips so far 6.0 inches (approx) off my thigh

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Soraya Likes to post Soraya's Profile Albums Soraya's Photo Gallery Join Date: 6th September, 2006 Posts: 354 My Mood: Rep Power: 9	Hi, I'm really not an expert, I learnt what I know through sites like this! A not very exciting menu today was: Atkins shake 10 cals 2g carb 15g protein chicken breast (200g) 232 0 44 green salad 18 3 2 extra low cal mayo 15 2 0 baked sea bass 300 1 46 asparagus 4 spears 15 3 1 mushrooms 6 27 4 3 4 sprays butter/oil 4 0 0 blueberries 20 15 4 0 Total: Cals: 793, Carb 18g, 111g protein pretty high in protein and I struggled with the 2 bits of seabass. Thank goodness Tesco sell cheap(ish) fish in the frozen section! These are the figures according to a combination of fitday.com and because it's very american and doesn't have UK foods like Marmite (!) in, I spend a lot of time typing in the backs of food packets! Look forward to seeing what you come up with! Loads of people have posted some really good menus on the low carb menu post too, I've nicked some great meal ideas from there! __________________ Started Atkins Easter 2004 220 CD Start Weight 197 June 06 Got to target 145 Total Loss: 73lbs or 5st 3lbs restart weight 176.6 8 Oct 2009

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mikey Likes to post mikey's Profile Albums mikey's Photo Gallery Join Date: 16th January, 2008 Location: Bowers Gifford, Essex Posts: 779 My Mood: Rep Power: 19 Diet: LighterLife	Cheers for your comments and ideas all - looks like I should be able to make a plan to meet my requirements - a couple of weeks every now again of healthy food at VLCD levels. __________________ Mike LL started Jan 10th 2008 Please contribute to my "create a VLCD menu" thread My Weight Chart: >

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Skyemagic Likes to post Skyemagic's Profile Albums Skyemagic's Photo Gallery Join Date: 7th January, 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 351 My Mood: Rep Power: 16 Diet: CD	Hi Mike, what a great idea..would you be willing to share? To be honest once I'm done with CD I would rather try and avoid these rather bland things myself... Will be watching with great interest.. xxx __________________

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Sez Maybe this time...... Sez's Profile Albums Sez's Photo Gallery Join Date: 4th March, 2007 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 2,182 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 47 Diet: Cambridge diet	Fantastic thread, although I am a long way off "real" food just now. I would really like to be able to dip in and out of protein based diets as there are times when I personally find the restrictions of a long term VLCD far too anti social. I am fine with water, black coffee etc, the no alchohol doesnt affect me at all (altho I am def NOT t-total!), but being able to go out to eat with friends, share a summer bbq or whatever is so very hard. The thought of being able to follow a diet that is possibly nutritionally complete yet, more acceptable socially is very appealing. I shall follow this thread with great interest. Thank you. __________________ No more will I happen to become a fat person in a slim body; I am going to be slim in mind AND body!! (With thanks to KD!) Mini Goals : Join WW for first time ever - Done 08/10/08 Lose first half stone Lose one stone Lose stone & a half and so it goes on.........

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debz32 CDC (Northern Ireland) debz32's Profile Albums debz32's Photo Gallery Join Date: 27th August, 2006 Location: BELFAST, Northern Ireland Posts: 3,712 My Mood: Rep Power: 106	great thread Mikey....will be watching this one ! thanks Debz x __________________ Cambridge Diet Counsellor (Northern Ireland) "The future will be made up of the present. By taking good care of the present, we take good care of the future." (Thich Nhat Hanh)

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KD Super Moderator KD's Profile Albums KD's Photo Gallery Typing Master Champion! Join Date: 22nd July, 2006 Posts: 11,611 Rep Power: 284	I'm with minilady on this one __________________ 8 Stone gone Cambridge Diet Counsellor (Bournemouth) August Wilson, "As my spirit grew bigger, my demons got smaller."

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mikey Likes to post mikey's Profile Albums mikey's Photo Gallery Join Date: 16th January, 2008 Location: Bowers Gifford, Essex Posts: 779 My Mood: Rep Power: 19 Diet: LighterLife	Thanks for your comments, I will share all on this thread as and when I "get it together" I will try it for myself of course! Regarding the comments about starvation mode - Taken, but fasting is a natural way for humans to be and is even embodied in many religions - Lent, ramadam (although without the gorging in the evening). I see using a VLCD as a way of controlling weight safely. I have been looking at what makes the LL meals and bars nutritionally complete - it just seems to be a bunch of vitamins and minerals - so unless I am mistaken, it should be very easy to come up with an appropriate set of menus to be accompanied by a quality multi-vitamin supplement. __________________ Mike LL started Jan 10th 2008 Please contribute to my "create a VLCD menu" thread My Weight Chart: >

18th May, 2008	#27 (permalink)
Dancing Forum Master Dancing's Profile Albums Dancing's Photo Gallery Join Date: 11th September, 2007 Location: Surrey Posts: 4,393 Rep Power: 125	he he KD ... I thought there had to be something brewing up in you! You and Tracey both have excellent points. I'm certainly interested in what Mike comes up with but only from an interest point of view not because I'll be using it (Low GI for me to maintain and the 80/20 rule ... and of course trying to sort my head out!). I particularly like that Tracey has pointed out about the BMI / vlcd issue ... but perhaps this is mitigated for by ensuring protein intake is at least 50g per day ... the idea being that is enough to stop the body using its own muscle as an energy source.? Getting onto the CBT. The LL CBT certainly is a good basis to work from but does require effort by the individual (I wasn't too good at putting the required effort in). Also, in my experience the sessions weren't really thorough enough.... private CBT for me in the future when I can afford it. __________________ New ticker - 26 July 2008 wk 1: -10.5lbs wk 2: - 0lbs ... but i didn't gain. Weigh exactly the same, despite my mini break ------------------------------ What I achieved by March 2008 ..... The ticker below is not up to date as I put some weight back on while trying to lose the last 1.5stone Started vlcd Sep 2007: 20 stone 1lb Lost 91 lbs by 13/04/08 14.0 inches lost off my waist so far 8.5 inches lost off my bust/back so far 10.5 inches off my hips so far 6.0 inches (approx) off my thigh