Slimming World Copyright Clarification

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  1. Pierce

    Pierce Administrator Staff Member

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    Hi Everybody,

    Here is the offical word from Slimming World regarding copyright & my original request.

    The email has been edited to remove my name :)

    Pierce


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    Dear Pierce,

    Many thanks for your e-mail. I'd be happy to clarify what information
    should/shouldn't be used from both the Slimming World and our print
    publications.

    We're more than happy for members to discuss personal favourite recipes
    and their Syn values, and to support each other with personal
    experiences, motivating messages and congratulations. Support is crucial
    to members' success and if a forum boosts the support they receive from
    their group, our magazine, friends, family and our official website,
    LifelineOnline - and helps them become more successful in their weight
    loss, that's fine with us!

    For copyright reasons, recipes, features and photographs from Slimming
    World books, the magazine and the website shouldn't be outside that
    publication. We're constantly checking the accuracy of our recipes
    following updates from manufacturers of basic food, and it's vital we
    have control over the accuracy of our information. Also, the rights to
    the photography don't cover additional websites etc.

    Ultimately, I want to ensure that information available to members is
    correct and isn't going to affect their weight losses in group. It's
    for that reason we also ask other companies/websites not to allow lists
    of foods to be included on their website, including Free Foods, Healthy
    Extras and Syns copied from the website or from the member book.

    The Fast Forward plan isn't one of Slimming World's eating plans. It is
    a tool that a Consultant uses when a member has struggled long-term. We
    don't recommend members use it day to day or even week to week. In
    fact, the vast majority of members will never need and never use Fast
    Forward. For that reason, the Fast Forward rules/meals shouldn't appear
    anywhere but in a Slimming World group and with the guidance of a
    Consultant. We don't even have it on our official website.

    We've mentioned the Slimming World password before; thank you for adding
    the message on your site and helping us keep our group member website
    exclusively for Slimming World group members. It is their group fees
    that help us maintain this free website, and we're keen to keep it free
    and exclusive!

    I hope that helps, Pierce. Please don't hesitate to contact me again if
    you have any further queries or specific content questions I can help
    with.

    Best wishes,

    Rebecca


    Rebecca Robinson
    Website & Design Manager


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Pierce
    Sent: 11 September 2008 21:23
    To: Slimming World
    Subject: Slimming world website content & copyright clarfication request

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    My name is Pierce and we run a website called MiniMins.com a large
    dieting support website. I have been in contact before with one of your
    staff regarding copyright issues on MiniMins. (Slimming World password
    and Fast Forward).

    At the moment we are having issues trying to clarify what content can be
    taken from Slimming World and printed on our forum.

    Members typically like to talk about recipes and syn values of food.

    What I would appreciate is a guideline that I can post to our members
    regarding the content on SlimmingWorld. E.g what to copy, what not to
    copy, how much can be copied etc.

    Best Regards,
    Pierce
     
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    Sorry to sound thick Pierce, but does that mean we can no longer advise other members of Syn values?
     
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    Pierce Administrator Staff Member

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    Afraid it looks like it...

    Pierce
     
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    Would that cover the occasional one posted when someones stuck as opposed to posting a whole list of them?
     
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    What does this mean then? The only place to get syn values is from the book or website?
     
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    That's what confused me too
     
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    surely discussing syn values on here between members is no different to friends discussing it over coffee?!
     
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    Hmmm - puzzling! So we can share syn values, but we cant! is how I read it..... obv Im not alone in that x
     
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    How I have read it is that lists of syn values cannot be reprinted as they have been copied from directories etc however individual syn amounts are allowed as they are common knowledge and used in the context of conversation, with the author stating the value not reciting a list of values from a book..

    But I may be wrong.. (most often am!!)
     
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    I know what you're saying Dee, but the only way the syn value would ever be common knowledge and used in every day conversation is because someone has at some point got it off the SW website or out of the directory xxx
     
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    Am i understanding this correct. We can talk about what recipe we have used ie; Chicken casserole, but if someone asked for the recipe and the syne value we can't give it to them if it has come from a SW book or mag. What I don't understand is why?
    You can buy all the SW books including the starter pack and syn directory mag. on E Bay, and you don't have to join SW to obtain then,yet we can't give out what in them to friends on the forum. It makes no sence to me, or am I just thick!!
    If they don't want non member to have the books etc, then they should stop the sell of them outside club. All we are trying to do is surport and motivate all people who have the same goal in the end to loss weight!!
     
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    They do say that they are happy for people discuss syn values of recipes, so surely that would be syns for everything, otherwise you could say

    "I have a recipe for Alpen light and water

    1 alpen light.....x syns
    eat with water.....0 syns

    :D
    So, I read it as being allowed to discuss syn values, but not give a list out at a time, or a scan of one of their books. I think that's fair enough.
     
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    Ive PMd Pierce to just confirm the Syn situation. Personally I cant see giving the odd Syn value here as being a problem as they clearly say LISTS but Pierce can hopefully confirm it :)
     
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    The official SW books and guides are not supposed to be available anywhere other than classes, SW by post or the bodyoptimise site. I think they actually say on them that they are not for resale. The ones that are available on Ebay should not be there.

    The magazine never gives full lists of foods that are free, obviously the idea being that you pay to join a class to get that information.
     
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    It would be the same with other things though. We can buy a CD on Ebay, but that doesn't mean we are allowed to upload it onto a forum for everyone to copy it. Same goes with books.

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    that's easier said than done though. How would you stop people selling them anywhere? And should you anyway. We are all allowed to sell our books on ebay, car boot sales etc, but doesn't mean we are allowed to copy them onto a forum

    Yes, but SW is a business. Hence the difference. Hopefully a part of the business is to support and motivate people, but it's still a business to make money to pay for research, leaders etc.
     
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    Unfortunatly I don't know.

    What they have clearly said, is that any information from any of their material cannot be re-published or re-printed anywhere else, in order to keep total control of the information so they can keep it accurate and updated as much as possible.

    It does not imply or specifically say you may share syn values so long as they are not a full list...

    So.. I don't know what to say and I don't know exacly what they ment, maybe if you have your own recipe of items made of other items that has a total syn value? Example: alpin and apple = 2syn values? (Im probably totally off the mark, its just an example).

    In any case, I sent another email to SW asking. Will post it up when I get a responce.

    Pierce

    Pierce
     
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    Thanks Pierce. That seems to be the bit causing most confusion. The Syn Value thread is a really popular and important thread on here, would be a shame if we had to stop it.
     
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    Responce from SW:
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    Hi Pierce,

    Discussing individual Syns values is absolutely fine. Long lists of
    products and their Syns values isn't.

    So I'd be happy for members to discuss things like: 'Have you tried
    Jammy Dodgers if you're peckish - just X Syns each?' But not lists of
    many biscuits and their Syn values.

    I hope that helps.

    Best wishes,

    Rebecca


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    Nice one Pierce. I have to say, it is commendable the way you keep this forum running so well and taking the time and effort to make sure all the info we give and receive is accurate. Good work

    It's also nice to see SW communicate well with the forum
     
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