Vic Vodkas dieting rollercoaster - back to it!!!!
- Thread starter LVLLM
- Start date
LVLLM
Gold Member
morning all. a tremendous 6lb gain from friday for me, thats with all legal food just gallons of vodka and gin...oops 
still plenty of water today
B - 2 cheddar and carmelised onion pork sossies tiny squit of low sugar tommy k
L - prawn mayo salad with rocket and tomato and onion
D - spinach and jalapeno cheese omelette with some curly kale
s - maybe
ex - yes keep fit/dance class tonight for an hour
a - yak
w - yes lots and lots
still plenty of water today
B - 2 cheddar and carmelised onion pork sossies tiny squit of low sugar tommy k
L - prawn mayo salad with rocket and tomato and onion
D - spinach and jalapeno cheese omelette with some curly kale
s - maybe
ex - yes keep fit/dance class tonight for an hour
a - yak
w - yes lots and lots
alottolose
Gold Member
wow vicky 6lb - I'm glad I'm (nearly) teetotal!
if it's only water gain from that, bet your WI tomorrow will be killer though !! something to look forward to! x
(is it literally just dehydration from alcohol that causes these sorts of gains on atkins then?) x
6lb - I'm glad I'm (nearly) teetotal!if it's only water gain from that, bet your WI tomorrow will be killer though !!
something to look forward to! x(is it literally just dehydration from alcohol that causes these sorts of gains on atkins then?) x
alottolose
Gold Member
p.s. Morning Ladies (and Jim ) x
(and Jim ) xGood grief Vicky, it is so unfair, especially when we have been good with our food - I know you have had the evil alcohol but I haven't touched the stuff and I am over 2lbs up
I still don't understand how we can hold all that extra water when alcohol is supposed to dehydrate you
I still don't understand how we can hold all that extra water when alcohol is supposed to dehydrate you
LVLLM
Gold Member
I think when we dehydrate our bodies then hold onto any morsel of water from veg/fruit/actual water and scream 'im keeping it cos you are going to dehydrate me again' so a couple of days and plenty of water and body will say 'thankyou for rehydrating me all the time you can now wee it out and i wont keep hold of it'. (this is obviously medical terminology!) for example yesterday i probably had about 2-3 litres of water and only went to the toilet 3 times!)
this morning ive had litre of water and 2 coffees and been 4 times.
tmi? probably but there is your explanation from Dr Vicky
this morning ive had litre of water and 2 coffees and been 4 times.
tmi? probably but there is your explanation from Dr Vicky
That is a good explanation Dr Vicky - cheers!
I am tempted to go back to once a week weighing to avoid weekend heartache even when I am good, just worried if it starts going up for whatever reason and I don't catch it in time that I could have a big gain by the end of 7 days.................
I am tempted to go back to once a week weighing to avoid weekend heartache even when I am good, just worried if it starts going up for whatever reason and I don't catch it in time that I could have a big gain by the end of 7 days.................
Jim
Big Boy
I think when we dehydrate our bodies then hold onto any morsel of water from veg/fruit/actual water and scream 'im keeping it cos you are going to dehydrate me again' so a couple of days and plenty of water and body will say 'thankyou for rehydrating me all the time you can now wee it out and i wont keep hold of it'. (this is obviously medical terminology!) for example yesterday i probably had about 2-3 litres of water and only went to the toilet 3 times!)
this morning ive had litre of water and 2 coffees and been 4 times.
tmi? probably but there is your explanation from Dr Vicky
That's probably as good an explanation as I've ever seen Vicky.
alottolose
Gold Member
The mysteries of alcohol and carbs
Still, sensibly enough, the first thing nearly all weight-loss plans require is that you stop drinking. (Not the notorious “Drinking Man’s Diet” of yore, a prehistoric ancestor of Atkins, which consisted of martinis, steak, bacon, and eggs.) This is because alcoholic beverages give you calories with no other nutrition, and they also may loosen your resolve to lose weight and make you eat without thinking. Beer goes with peanuts, wine with cheese. Also, alcohol itself is high in calories—7 calories per gram, almost as much as fat (9 calories per gram) and more than carbs or protein (about 4 per gram). Here are some things you should know about alcohol and nutrition—facts that run counter to what many people believe:
Alcoholic beverages all contain calories, and most of the calories come from the alcohol. (We are speaking about straight spirits, wine, or beer—not mixed drinks made with added ingredients, which can bring calories to, well, staggering levels.)
In spite of the strong implication that “low-carb” somehow means low-calorie, and that low-carb foods in general can help you lose weight—or, indeed, that they are “health foods”—there’s no evidence this is so, and particularly not when it comes to beer, wine, and liquor. Alcoholic beverages have calories because alcohol has a lot of calories—not because of carbs. The implication that low-carb beers and wine or carb-free spirits are a boon on a weight-loss program is simply deceptive advertising.
What the experts say
Let's take a quick look at what a few of the low-carb experts have to say on the subject of alcohol and low carb diets:
Robert C. Atkins –– the Granddaddy of them all:
"Here's the problem with all alcoholic beverages, and the reason I recommend refraining from alcohol consumption on the diet. Alcohol, whenever taken in, is the first fuel to burn. While that's going on, your body will not burn fat. This does not stop the weight loss, it simply postpones it, since the alcohol does not store as glycogen, you immediately go back into ketosis/lipolysis after the alcohol is used up.
If you must drink alcohol, wine is an acceptable addition to levels beyond the Induction diet. If wine does not suit your taste, straight liquor such as scotch, rye, vodka, and gin would be appropriate, as long as the mixer is sugarless; this means no juice, tonic water; or non-diet soda. Seltzer and diet soda are appropriate."
Drs. Michael R. and Mary Dan Eades (Protein Power)
"Can I drink alcohol on the Protein Power Plan?"
"Yes, you can! But, like with everything else, you are limited by your Carbohydrate Maximum. Drywhite or red wine (3 oz.) or Miller Lite beer (12 oz.) will cost you 3 or 4 effective carb grams, but are still reasonable choices as long as you count them in your daily totals. Hard liquor will cost you a lot of empty calories. Take it easy and count those carbs! Wine-in moderation-can even help improve insulin sensitivity."
so from that it seems that even if an alcohol is low/no carb... the calories will remain because the alcohol is the first thing to burn off and the fat burning/calorie burning comes later/is postponed....x
Still, sensibly enough, the first thing nearly all weight-loss plans require is that you stop drinking. (Not the notorious “Drinking Man’s Diet” of yore, a prehistoric ancestor of Atkins, which consisted of martinis, steak, bacon, and eggs.) This is because alcoholic beverages give you calories with no other nutrition, and they also may loosen your resolve to lose weight and make you eat without thinking. Beer goes with peanuts, wine with cheese. Also, alcohol itself is high in calories—7 calories per gram, almost as much as fat (9 calories per gram) and more than carbs or protein (about 4 per gram). Here are some things you should know about alcohol and nutrition—facts that run counter to what many people believe:
Alcoholic beverages all contain calories, and most of the calories come from the alcohol. (We are speaking about straight spirits, wine, or beer—not mixed drinks made with added ingredients, which can bring calories to, well, staggering levels.)
-
Alcohol is not a carbohydrate.
- Your body processes alcohol first, before fat, protein, or carbs. Thus drinking slows down the burning of fat. This could account for the weight gain seen in some studies.
- Hard liquor is distilled and thus contains no carbohydrates. The current “Zero Carb” campaign for vodka and whiskey is baloney and may encourage mindless consumption. It’s like bragging that a candybar is “cholesterol-free.”
- When grapes are made into wine, most of the fruit sugars (carbs) convert to alcohol, but a few carbs remain. A 5-ounce glass of wine typically contains 110 calories, 5 grams of carbohydrates, and about 13 grams of alcohol (which accounts for 91 of the calories). A 5-ounce glass of wine supplies roughly the same amount of alcohol and number of calories as a 12-ounce light beer or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof spirits.
- Beer, too, contains carbohydrates. The new low-carb beers are not new at all, though this type of beer does indeed have fewer carbs. Low-carb beers are simply the old light beers with a new label and ad campaign. The old Miller Lite has 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs in 12 ounces. The “low-carb” Michelob Ultra has 96 calories and 2.6 grams of carbs. Coors Lite has 102 calories and 5 grams of carbs. The differences are tiny—hardly worth mentioning. In contrast, a regular beer has 13 grams of carbs and 150 calories.
In spite of the strong implication that “low-carb” somehow means low-calorie, and that low-carb foods in general can help you lose weight—or, indeed, that they are “health foods”—there’s no evidence this is so, and particularly not when it comes to beer, wine, and liquor. Alcoholic beverages have calories because alcohol has a lot of calories—not because of carbs. The implication that low-carb beers and wine or carb-free spirits are a boon on a weight-loss program is simply deceptive advertising.
What the experts say
Let's take a quick look at what a few of the low-carb experts have to say on the subject of alcohol and low carb diets:
"Here's the problem with all alcoholic beverages, and the reason I recommend refraining from alcohol consumption on the diet. Alcohol, whenever taken in, is the first fuel to burn. While that's going on, your body will not burn fat. This does not stop the weight loss, it simply postpones it, since the alcohol does not store as glycogen, you immediately go back into ketosis/lipolysis after the alcohol is used up.
If you must drink alcohol, wine is an acceptable addition to levels beyond the Induction diet. If wine does not suit your taste, straight liquor such as scotch, rye, vodka, and gin would be appropriate, as long as the mixer is sugarless; this means no juice, tonic water; or non-diet soda. Seltzer and diet soda are appropriate."
"Can I drink alcohol on the Protein Power Plan?"
"Yes, you can! But, like with everything else, you are limited by your Carbohydrate Maximum. Drywhite or red wine (3 oz.) or Miller Lite beer (12 oz.) will cost you 3 or 4 effective carb grams, but are still reasonable choices as long as you count them in your daily totals. Hard liquor will cost you a lot of empty calories. Take it easy and count those carbs! Wine-in moderation-can even help improve insulin sensitivity."
ladyfelsham
Back to SW again
Afternoon honeys
