Katycakes Won't Give Up...

Dredges up a smile and a teaspoonful of enthusiasm...

Monday: things to be glad about.

the smell of woodsmoke when I feed a log into the woodburner
CD chocolate orange bars
emails bringing nice news about work-stuff
my late Xmas prezzie (yes, still!)
birds outside the window
fruits of the forest flavour mousse just gone into fridge for later
being 12lbs down

Not so bad after all, huh?

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Lots of reasons to be grateful and happy there KC, :D

Mine are:-

Being 14:44 and only one shake down and not feeling hungry/self-sabotaging :):)

Seeing the sunshine and blue sky from my window at work :)

Feeling my trousers baggier than they were yesterday :)

Spending the evening with Jess and doing the SATC thing that we didnt do last Friday :)
 
Thank you Mel... but why doesn't this happen to others on CD/ LL? Why didn't it happen to me last time? Trying to take this in, figure out if it seems likely for me... thank you, so much, for the input. Head struggling to make sense of it, don't want to make any hasty decisions. I do know this, but somehow CD seems to over-ride the usual advice... maybe the protein in the shakes? So trying to figure out why this would happen so soon. Possibly to do with BMI being lower than last time?

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Hi Katy,

I am having much slower losses this time than I did the first time 'round on LL (2008). And, I remember my LL counsellor talking about the "first time being the golden time" and it did not make much sense at the time. But, now I think I understand (having read up on it).

Your metabolism slows down on a VLCD -- it becomes very efficient. Which is part of the reason it is so easy to regain the weight and gain it fast, and even add back on more.

So, if you -- like me -- noticed the weight creeping back on and then "started, stopped, started, etc." every time you did this your body thought, "Aha, I know what this is... I'm starving again. There is a food shortage." And, it took the necessarily precautions to ensure your survival: it slowed your metabolic processes down as much as possible (hence, feeling cold while in ketosis, etc.) So, the yoyoing makes a body slow things down -- and when you do not stick the diet, you often gained even more and faster than before the first diet.

In otherwords, your body knows what you are up to and is trying to "save you" from starving to death. It has been here before and will start the metabolic slow-down more quickly (plus, if it has not been very long since the original loss -- or you have been yoyoing -- your metabolism has not recovered to its pre-VLCD rate).

How do fix this?

You "kick start" your losses by SSing (if possible) long enough to detox, get into ketosis, and (hopefully) lessen your cravings for food(s). You up your water and never reduce it by much. 2 liters a day is the minimum for anyone, not just someone on a diet.

Then, once you get that "ketosis energy kick" you start upping your exerise -- 30 minutes of aerobic activity will not only burn some calories whilst you are doing it, but it will boost your metabolism for hours afterwards.

You need to build up slowly to a sustainable level of exercise (one that you can make a permanent part of your life). If you do tons of exercise to lose the weight -- when you cut back on it -- you're likely to regain. It needs to be a permanent change.

As you rebuild your metabolism, you should be doing some strength training to rebuild (or build) your muscles. You should increase your muscle to fat ratio. Muscle burns more calories and building your muscles will not only boost your metabolism it will tone your body (inches lost and shape improved).

Studies have shown that peope will lose as much on an 880 calorie a day diet as on one of less than 500. Your body is that clever -- it makes the less go further. So, the idea is to bump up your calories as Surfhunny said for a week (or so) and that could "trick" your body into thinking the "famine" is over and then when you drop back down or boost your metabolism it will stop holding on for dear life!

MM
 
I've been in a meeting all day and have just read your posts Katy. From the Dukan book which you sent and the one Jess recommended this all sounds familiar. Sadly, it seems our bodies know that we've dieted before and go into starvation mode quite quickly, it gets worse with each attempt, so that's a very good reason for not giving up now. The books also say that it is more difficult for women at different ages because of hormonal activity, especially between the ages of 40-50........They also say that weight doesn't fall off evenly, and sometimes comes in a woosh, as you know, after a period of no movement and of course a difference up or down of a pound doesn't mean anything - that's normal fluctuation.
All the advice on here seems so sensible to me, might it be time to step up to 810 now though? What does Lelly advise? Didn't you tell her recently about stalling at the end of each plan and losing again when kick started on the next? I'm sure I remember reading that....

I have given up under very simliar circumstances to you now - and I so wish I hadn't. Thinking of you, big big hugs xxxxxxx.
 
@ Lelly, thanks for wise words, I do know that you've had gains for odd reasons and that does give me hope. I just didn't know it was possible on SS, but I guess I can always be a trailblazer! What advice would you give to someone who has stalled so much on SS Lelly? 810 or sit tight? I need to pull some confidence out of somewhere today as the wagon ride is feeling bumpy all of a sudden.

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hey hunny, sorry to run out earlier but had appt knocking at the door and been rushed off my feet since, gotta go again in a min, but I would say sit tight, daily scale fluctuations doesn't mean you are stalling, 12lbs lost in 25 days is def average loss for SS (av is 14 a month and that's very average some lose more some lose less depending on how much they have to lose or how close their BMI is to 25) I wouldn't say that you are stalling at all, if you hadn't lost anything in over 2 weeks of 100% then i would say that would poss be a stall, but your scales are moving hun, do you feel slimmer? WI day is not til Thursday I would say wait it out til then and see what the result is after a whole week, and maybe avoid the scales if you can hun.
Keep strong and remember why you are doing this.
Big hugs
xx
 
Great advice from Lelly! x :)
 
Great advice from Lelly all round, I second staying off the scales as well. xx

How did that happen? A double message -Gremlins?
 
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Thanks Jess, Chels, MM, Bess & Lelly.

I am much calmer now and better able to absorb the advice & info you have all been kind enough to share. Don't panic, I am not giving up, not a CHANCE. I agree that 12lbs might be a good loss for later on in SS but is not average loss for the first month of CD, when you have the glycogen loss as well... I am pretty convinced by Mel's last post because it echoes so closely the way i have been in 2010, with so many failed re-starts and a pattern of a few days SS followed by a week of over-eating, repeated again and again and again.

I kept thinking that if I could just 'do it properly' I would be OK, and this time, bar my blips on day 14/15 I have been 100%. I do not want to cheat... I am feeling pleasantly detached from food, especially the foods I WANT to be detached from. But I am worried about the slow loss and also today's gain. I don't want to depress my metabolism while at the same time wrecking my own head with the anxiety.

I have decided to do a week of 810 and see if I feel better and if it can kick-start the losses. If not, then back to SS. If yes, then I may just stay at 810 as last time around I lost most of my weight on this plan. I stayed in ketosis, too.

I am NOT giving up - it seems clear that this time the journey will be a longer one and I may as well get my head around that. I am a bit scared at the info about diets in general, and yes, we have all heard it so many times before but this really has to be the last time, and I HAVE to do it properly this time and not mess up once I get to goal.

Have quorn pieces and broccoli and spinach, and that'll be fine for now, tomorrow can shop and get more variety. I don't know if there is a right or wrong decision here, so just trying to make the one that feels right for me.

Thank you all so much for caring and big hugs back atcha.

xxx
 
Ah - re-read Lelly's post and have seen that the slow loss is probably BMI related. That makes more sense. It doesn't change my decision, but does make me feel a bit less scared. Thanks Lelly.

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Great plan, well done. x
 
Yep great plan i agree im on 810 lost 4 lbs last week.!

and feel fine, give it a go but please stay confident.!

and nope your not allowed to give up as we are all here for ya.!
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More advice from Dr Dukan - sip ice cold drinks (water), wear less clothing to be a bit cold, :eek: take cold (cool)showers....brrrrrr, :eek::eek: well you could try the iced/very coldwater anyway. All this works on the theory that you have to use cals to keep warm. The drink seems clear - it's cold, you have to warm it up in your body to recycle it to 37degrees.....

And to break through a 'stagnation phase'.....60 minute booster walks over 4 days - he says it works.........:rolleyes: xx

More gems later! xx
 
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Heya, just catching up on posts, so hugs from here as well. This time round I lost 12 in my first week, 3 in my second and 1 last week (I did have a night off to consider with that) so my losses have felt minimal for a VLCD, and definitely slower than last time. Last week my scales were up and down up and down, only a lb or so at a time. But this weekend they have come down about 4lbs. My weigh in this week might be slightly hampered with a night off last night, but I stuck to the plan and it has worked. I agree with all the comments re. exercise, BMI and second/ third/ fourth etc! time again.

I think 810 is a great option. You are sticking with a plan, just moving up a little, and you have the choice to move back down if you want/ need to.

Not too sure about the top tips from Bess, she will be recommending bathing in frozen celery next ;)
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Hi hun

Long time no speak! All sorts of things occur to me most of which I think have been covered. Your BMI is relatively near "normal" therefore your losses are never going to be at the same rate they were when you first did Cambridge - the less you have to lose the more slowly it happens.

Our bodies are not computers they do not lose weight according to a manual or mathematics. There are so many other factors that affect things, exercise, hydration, hormones, digestion... the list is endless.

It was KD that taught me about how to use scales - they are just a tool. If you know that you are following your chosen plan and that you are taking in less calories than your body needs then there is no way you can be not losing, or even gaining weight - it's not possible. if the scales say different then this is an indication that there is something else going on be it water or hormones etc. if you try to react to every fluctuation on the scales you will forever be chasing your tail.

I guess what I am saying is have the confidence in yourself, in the knowledge that you are doing all the right things.

xx
 
Hi Porgeous,

It's great when you drop in, your comments are always so encouraging. :)
 
You've made (yet another) good decision Katy, expect a rather large whoosh anytime soon. See ya tomorrow :D

Oh and so nice to see Porgeous and still looking gorgeous x
 
Big, big thanks Bess, Wales, Curly, Shanny, Porgeous, Chelsea and Jess. I am listening, and I am grateful that you are there, makes me feel I am not stumbling along in the dark here, on my own.

@ Curly & Shanny, I am still here and not planning on going anywhere, fear not.

@ Bess, the walks sound like a good plan... not sure I can face the icey drinks. I am such a wuss. I see how it works, I just don't want the pain... that one will be a last resort. (By contrast, Wales' frozen celery bath sounds great... just shovelling in the ice and the lorryload of celery now...)

@ Wales, your post about the celery made me laugh and laugh. I truly believe this is the way forward. Why did I never think of it before? Feel better to see your losses put in perspective too, I can see that I just got into a panic at the 'gain' and all logic went out of the window.

@ Porgeous, big thank you for posting and for showing us that it can be done, the maintenance thing. Wise words, I know that the scales are just a guide, I know that the 'gain' cannot have been fat and so nothing to stress about... I knew it in one part of my head, but the panic just swamped it all for a while. I have a bit more perspective now, feel a lot calmer and more focused. Thank you for being there.

@ Chels, bring on the whoosh! Hoping you get one too at your WI, fingers crossed.

@ Jess, thanks hun, I know... message taken on board, I promise.

Happy Tuesday all of you... I think it'll be a better day for me, anyway!

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Tuesday... Day 26:

Much calmer. I ate my 810 meal and it was nice to eat with the others and there was no temptation to cheat or bend the rules, and I don't think I ate my quota either, forgot how much you get on 810, will need to check the amounts today. I feel happier about it, and have a week to decide whether this is a one-off week or whether to stay at this level. How I feel and what scales say will determine that.

Scales... today they said back to 12st 5. Yay!

xxx
 
Morning Katy, Yay for you for getting through it, wishing you a fabulous 1st of Feb
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Good news --

And I think you'll find you'll feel a bit better with a little "real food" in you.

Let me know how the celery bath turns out -- I've done stranger things than that to try and lose weight. I'll be we all have. LOL
Hummm, maybe the cabbage soup diet wouldn't be so difficult if you bathed in it, instead of ate it.

MM
 
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