Caldil, we are in the same rut indeed!! perhaps we need to stop focusing on what we did and more on what we need to do?? see i dont know if you agree with me, but the plan is so straight forward, almost too straight forward, when im on it, i have amazing weight loses like a stone in 3 weeks type of thing, so when im off it i think to myself, it wont hurt, i know i can do it, i will get back on track tomorrow and in 3 weeks time i will be a stone lighter, today i'll eat and enjoy and tomorrow i'll be good.....thing is tomorrow never comes does it?? and i find myself months (more like 3 years) worse than before!! im reading a book on my journey into work called ....only fat people skip breakfast...im not that far into it (a bit of a slow reader, too easily distracted thats my problem) one thing though that stuck in my mind so far is this statement......"There is only one life; this is not a dress rehearsal for the slim life you should be living" how true, dont you think?? Ok lets embark this together, joining forces, if you dont mind could be great!! I will continue to read my book and pick out motivational statements, if you wish? Shall we start a diet on here? im not quite sure how to do that!!