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Thinking of moving to LL Lite


is loving CWP xx
S: 21st2lb C: 20st10lb G: 15st0lb BMI: 48.3 Loss: 0st6lb(2.03%)
Hi All,

I don't know if you have noticed but I am really struggling with abstinence and staying 100% It is getting so bad to the point where I am now starting to gain and waste money.

I do not want to quit compeltly as i know I still have 2 stone to loose and the journey to complete.

So I was thinking that instead of cheating with bad foods, it would be easier to have that 1 meal a day within the plan and that will stop me eating the bad foods that I currently am.

Anyone got any advice?
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Blonde Logic

Yes. You can.
S: 258lb C: 228lb G: 168lb BMI: 35.7 Loss: 30lb(11.63%)
Aw, sorry you are struggling Becks. I know you have pressures at home to deal with too.

Personally, I am an all or nothing kind of gal. I could never do LL - the boundary is far to flimsy. But thats ME.

You need to do what suits you best.

But - before swapping, do you know why you are lapsing? Have you looked at that, because I think changing diets won;t change the head. Ya know?

I really hope you find a way to make it work for you, one way or another. I know how bad you want this, and you are working hard at it. You deserve to get to your goal, by whatever means work for you.

I know how you feel. I haven't lapsed or really been close, but am really struggling with the last few weeks of abstinence. Finding it increasingly hard and my desire to eat is at an all time high.

Can't really offer advice on the best course of action for you, but I hope that you find a way to finish your LL journey that works for you. :)

DD x


Enjoying life!
S: 18st13lb
Hi Becks

Sorry to hear you are strugglng. I don't feel I am LL experienced enough to offer any valuable advice but I agree with everything BL has said.

You have to do what is right for you but addressing why you are cheating is probably the most important!

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Kat xx


I Can Do This!
S: 18st12lb C: 12st9lb G: 9st6lb BMI: 29.5 Loss: 6st3lb(32.95%)
Becks, I'm really sad that you are struggling with abstinence. You have come so far and have such a short distance remaining.

I have to agree with everything that BL said. It is about YOU and what is best for you. However, if you don't understand why you can't stick to the boundaries of abstinence - when you know this is what works- , how will you convince yourself to stick to the LLL boundaries - food amounts, types and times.

Can you work out the thought records. Perhaps a 1-1with your LLC to discuss this aspect may help?

Maybe rewrite your reasons for starting and your goals and what has changed, what new influences are there etc.

I really hope you sort yourself out and can refocus on finishing your journey in a way that gives completion and the skills for life-long maintenance.



is Magdalicious
S: 17st6lb C: 14st1lb G: 12st7lb BMI: 29.1 Loss: 3st5lb(19.26%)
Becky i am totally on the same boat as you!
I am seriously considering moving to LLL soon too.
I feel the complete abstinence (and then lapsing) is not the way forward to me.
But like the girls above said, you have to decide yourself and maybe before you do that, think of what makes you lapse.
I know what triggers that with me and it's a simple fact of missing food and preparing it and socialising around it. It is very important to stress that doing LLL is NOT designed to makes us feel more eligable to be overindulgent. You still have to be VERY strict and carry on with the CBT and so on.
Speak to your LLC about it and weigh up all the pros and cons.
Good luck with whatever you decide.


Playing the Angel
S: 14st3lb C: 8st7lb G: 9st2lb BMI: 20.4 Loss: 5st10lb(40.2%)
Hi Becks, sorry to hear you are struggling so much. Can't really offer much advice, as everyone else has said it so eloquently. However a lady in my group was going through the same thing, lapsing and wanted to move on to Lite because her BMI was now low enough. We had a good discussion about goal setting last week, and addressed some of her issues. She refocussed, re set her goals as her original ones no longer applied. She has had a really good week this week, and has decided to stick out with abstinence . Please however, do what is the right thing for you hun, if Lite will make it easier then try that, because I suppose the most important thing is that we get to our goal.

Big hugs

BL said:
before swapping, do you know why you are lapsing? Have you looked at that, because I think changing diets won;t change the head. Ya know?
I totally echo what BL says here. You need to find out *why* you are giving into what you heads says you want, not what you know you need to do.

Yes, LLL will let you have a "little something" each day, but why do you want that "little something", when you don't actually *need* it?

I know it's tough, I've been struggling for a few months now, and in that time I've found that I have far, FAR more deep-seated issues with food and eating than I originally thought. Yes, in some ways I feel like I've 'wasted' a few months of time and money having only lost a few lbs in all that time, but on the other hand I have learnt a lot about myself too, so it's not all bad.

And that's something that I've seen SO many guys in my group (both there now and come and gone, one way or another) forget about after a while - that you are meant to be searching for answers and learning about yourself each week.

It's very easy to get complacent and just think "ok, no eating this week, x number of lbs off, repeat" when in actual fact the removal of the f**d from your life is to give you the opening you need to identify you behaviour and thought patterns, throughout each day.

Barely a day goes by when I don't do self-analysis using the Parent-Adult-Child model for my actions during the day, or using something else from the TA/CBT stuff we've been taught, and I don't doubt that it's something that I'll have to keep up for the rest of my life - it's my guide, if you like.

And I know that the days when I screw up and eat something are the days that I ignore the self-analysis stuff! :rolleyes:

Anyway, rambling now!

I hope you succeed whatever path you choose, and I wish you luck :)


is loving CWP xx
S: 21st2lb C: 20st10lb G: 15st0lb BMI: 48.3 Loss: 0st6lb(2.03%)
Thank you all so much for your replies of encouragement. I spoke with my OH last night about changing plans (but he still doesn't know that I have been lapsing) and he thinks that I should stick with what I am doing as it is clearly working. He said that I have already done it for 6 months now so might as well give it another 2.

The other day, I gave him my RTM goal of 25th Aug as I wanted him to see that there was an end to it and he said last night that I should at least stick with it until then and if I am still not happy with full blown LL then I should consider LLL.

I was really suprised that he said that as me being on LLL means that we can be more involved in cooking/eating together which would really help our relationship at the moment. But as he pointed out my weight losses will be a lot smaller than full LL (if I stop lapsing). He said that he has been thinking himself about his comments and behaviour towards me being on the diet and decided that he was being selfish and knew that I was doing it for us as well as myself. I also apologised to him for being selfish too, i know you have to be on this diet but to be honest, I know I should pay more attention to him as well.

I know the reasons as to why I keep lapsing. It is comfort eating. We keep having these little conversations about LL and how unhappy he is feeling and then I feel unhappy myself and seek comfort in f**d. It is a vicious circle because if I keep sabotaging my weight loss, the longer I will be on it and the longer we will be in this situation. So what I need to do is stop listening to my NP and start being more adult. The only thing that will break this cycle is if I stick to the plan 100%, get a good weight loss and get my motivation back. Which is slowly starting to happen.

So not sure what the scales will say this week as it is TOTM and feel really bloated but whatever it is I will just have to carry on going and do this 100% to get to where I want to be.

Thank you so much for listening to me moan and thank you for all your support x x


Silver Member
S: 17st6lb C: 11st8lb G: 11st10lb BMI: 24.6 Loss: 5st12lb(33.61%)
Really pleased you've worked thigs out Becks - I think you've made the right decision, and as you and your OH discussed, you can always revise your plan if need be when you get to 25th Aug.

I think having short-term goals really helps when you've been on the programme for a while - I am, quite frankly, bored to tears with it now, and I know if I thought in months it would drive me mad, so I just keep telling myself "one more week, then I'll review". Definitely makes me feel better!

I'm sure now you've worked it through in your mind, and your OH is really supportive, you'll stop lapsing and get back to your great losses :)


is loving CWP xx
S: 21st2lb C: 20st10lb G: 15st0lb BMI: 48.3 Loss: 0st6lb(2.03%)
Thanks Lucy for your picture comments and the lovely post above.

I do have a cycle when I have lapsed, go to my meeting, feel awful about the small amount of weight I have lost (if any at all), have good intentions of getting back on it and then only doing a couple of days and then lapsing. It's so frustrating. My moods are constantly up and down at the moment. I feel great then lapse, feel bad then, do it a couple of days, feel great then lapse etc!!!

As you said, I really need to get my head screwed on the right way and get this done. No messing around. OH has always been supportive but maybe not with some of the comments that he makes. I think we may have turned a corner.

Thank you everyone x x

Blonde Logic

Yes. You can.
S: 258lb C: 228lb G: 168lb BMI: 35.7 Loss: 30lb(11.63%)
Aw, Becks, thats great news. This will also make you two stronger as a couple, not justyou as an individual. It did me and my OH. :)

When I hit goal, I gave my husband a thank you gift. For his patience, his support. He never complained once. So I bought him a ring with his favourite stone, Tigers Eye. He loved it, and made him feel chuffed to learn that he was a part of it, it wasn;t all just about me, though it may have seemed that way - but that he and his support was a huge part of the diet. He had a role too.:)

Go for it girl. You got the support now - run to that finish line!!!!!
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Guess who's back...?
S: 16st10lb C: 13st7.5lb G: 10st7lb BMI: 29.7 Loss: 3st2.5lb(19.02%)
I'm a bit late on this thread, but just to put my twopence in...

I was lapsing loads so switched to LLL and that was the kiss of death. I managed one week, maybe two - and that was that. Got bored, fed up.

I was at the 'two stone to go' mark when I fell off the wagon - I think it's a hard time because you start feeling good. I have had about six months off and am now back for more. I put on a bit of weight since I came off, which was ok - nothing major, but never got there. I wish I'd stuck it out, but my head wasn't in the right place.

I am feeling replenished now and willing to do it once and for all.

Do what you feel is best honey - I think that sticking on main LL is the best choice. LLL is great for smaller people that have less to lose, but it didn't work for me.

A x x

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