Determinator is Determined to get to goal :)

HI Nicki , I think you may be right ....my body is really resisting getting below 11 stone, but its not up to my body its up to me !!!! grrrrr lol
I am really happy with my body apart from my stomach , so I would be happy to just loose a few more lbs as long as my stomach disappears a bit ... I am working on it at the gym and would still like to get to 10.5 stone ( my actual goal is 10 but was hoping to get to 10 then stabilise around 10.5 so allow for some carb Gain ) .. just want a flattish stomach :)

you have done so well to not gain much :)
 
Hi Katie,

When I was at goal and maintaining the right knickers helped me with the flat stomach thing. I think that after two big babies (and the last was a C-section) a mini tummy tuck will be required for a truly flat abdomen. Oh well, it is much better than it was. :sigh:

I hope you are having a good Sunday. :)

MM
 
I think my body is ok with carbs to be honest for some reason - it used to take me a lot to go out of ketosis - I ate a bread roll once and still stayed in K bizarre ! I didn't gain any at all until I got preg and then in the last 3 weeks I have gained 6lb but I am carb overloading for energy so I'm not too worried as I know it will slow down once I get past the sicky tired stage lol

My body was the same I couldn't get below 11st 2 for love nor money even though I still lost inches and thats what you may be doing sweetie xx and because you've started exercising that may slow it down as its a shock to your body. Very frustrating though I know xxxx

Whatever - you look fantastic ! so be proud xx
 
hiya

just wrote in your other diary. i've given up my diary here although i prefer it here :( i think and felt that i had to commit to maintenance and go with it. needed to graduate as a way of moving forward. whether that's worked or not i just don't know as my weight is all over the place!
I have one in both places as although I feel I should be in the 1000 - maintainence now .. i dont seem to get any replies to my questions or any comments on there so am happier here ... I will keep it up in both for now ...
 
Hi Katie,

I've read your thread before and been impressed at your journey, also identified with your struggles with eating.

I had to post after just reading what you said about an eating disorder. I'm sorry your Doctor wasn't sympathetic.

I've come to realise I'm a persistent Binge Eater- and Binge Eating is recognised as a disorder. (Sadly not by your average GP)- but it is in the DSM- the diagnostic bible for psychological disorders. If you return & ask specifically to be referred to an eating disorders or general psychologist, then he should.

After I realised and researched it, I was able to tell mine & I'm now on a waiting list to see one.

I can recommend "overcoming binge eating" by Dr Christopher Fairburn as giving a good explanation of it as a disorder- and how it relates to bulimia etc, plus he gives a self help programme to follow.

He makes the distinction between everyday eating and binging that is a disorder- the key difference being the feelings of compulsiveness and lack of control that are there when it is a persistent disorder.

Though I'm no longer bulimic as I once was, and have made
huge efforts to get out of the dieting/binging cycle, I realised I still had a problem when I heard myself saying to someone: "I've been trying to learn how to maintain my weight for 17 years".

If someone had told me they'd been trying to stop smoking for seventeen years, I'd think they had a real problem and needed to try a new method...

As I start another fortnight of the Cambridge, I'm well aware that that is a brilliant tool to continue the food avoidance that can characterise part of an eating disorder. I think many folks on this forum are caught in binge/diet cycles and I just wish there was more awareness of it among dieters and health professionals.

Anyway, just wanting to wish you luck with your future journey and I think you're absolutely on the right lines with your thinking and with your awareness of the need to tackle it.
 
thanks for the reply Kate , I find it sad that if i had gone to the dr and said I was binging .. then vomitting ... I would have been taken much more seriously .. the fact that I dont vomit seems to make them think its not a problem !!! I may go back and see another doctor next week , but after speaking to my CDC today I am not sure ... she made the point that maybe something like life coaching may be more beneficial than councelling and councelling tends to focus on the past and drag up all the problems and reasons .. wher as life coaching focuses on the present and future to improve your life ... I am still looking into hypnosis and am going to save up and give it a go I think ... just feel peed that my Dr just dismissed it so easily !!

thanks for the recommendation of the book too , i may have a look at that :)
 
Monday 14th march ... weigh in

Well been a hard week . Done a full week of 1000 plan , and after 2 days i was showing a gain of 6 lb ... I always gain alot when I recarb , and this made me really panic and i was so so close to giving in and going back onto 810 .. but i know my CDC is right , I have to start working up the plans now , with the exercise I am doing and also need to restart my metabolism ... my ideal weight is only about 8 lb away ... i put my goal weight as 10 stone to allow for a bit of recarb weight gain , so i have recarbed now and 10.5 stone is a great weight for me ( I just want to be a comfy size 12 )

so I managed to persuade myself to do a full week on 1000 plan and I weighed in today at a gain of 2 lb .. so I lost 4 lb of the recarb weight and 2lb is a good gain for me and it shows that I can keep loosing on 1000 calories :D so I am sticking with it and never going back down to 810 or SS .. whooooop

I had a lovely day yesterday , we went to my parents for sunday dinner and for the first time in SO SO long I was able to eat with them and not sit and sip a shake !!! It made me and my mum very happy :)

so another week on 1000 and see how we go .. my CDC wants me to move up again next week to 1200 .. but i will see how this week goes and maybe do another 2-3 weeks on 1000 , it is a nice plan
 
Well done, sounding good.

Just to say a little bit more about the Binge Eating Disorder and what your CDC has said. (I'm not good at using the quotes thingy).

The counselling that you would be likely to be offered on the NHS would be Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. That's because it's quicker (six sessions usually) and they currently see it as most efficient and proven.
This doesn't look at the past and roots of issues, it focuses on how thoughts influence behaviour. Generally therefore, pretty good for eating disorders.

Life coaching; fine- but- eating disorders are complicated. Find one who knows about them...
(Less likely than if you spoke to an actual psychologist who would refer you on to a specialist eating disorders counsellor).

Hypnosis. Again- fine- but...The suggestions you are given in your hypnosis are crucial. What you don't need is a hypnotist telling you, as they would someone who overeats a bit, to eat healthy foods and not eat unhealthy foods. Your binge eating is likely to be triggered by a variety of emotional and physical factors. What you want your subconscious to be telling yo in your hypnosis is to find alternative ways of coping with those factors.

It would be good to think that your GP would have reacted differently if you'd said you were bulimic.
However, I've not experienced good knowledge of, or interest in, my bulimia when I tentatively mentioned it years ago.

I would recommend going back to your GP, because you're the service user- and asking to be referred to an eating disorders psychologist. That is the pathway they're supposed to take for people who come to them with the symptoms of eating disorders. You wouldn't be being demanding, just reasonable.

You seem to have correctly identified a problem. If you had diagnosed yourself as having a broken leg, would you accept anything other than going to someone who knew lots about broken legs and how to treat them?

Below is the criteria that Doctors and psychologists will be using;

DSM-5 Proposed Diagnostic Criteria for Binge Eating Disorder



A. Recurrent episodes of binge eating. An episode of binge eating is characterized by both of the following:

1. eating, in a discrete period of time (for example, within any 2-hour period), an amount of food that is definitely larger than most people would eat in a similar period of time under similar circumstances

2. a sense of lack of control over eating during the episode (for example, a feeling that one cannot stop eating or control what or how much one is eating)

B. The binge-eating episodes are associated with three (or more) of the following:

1. eating much more rapidly than normal

2. eating until feeling uncomfortably full

3. eating large amounts of food when not feeling physically hungry

4. eating alone because of feeling embarrassed by how much one is eating

5. feeling disgusted with oneself, depressed, or very guilty afterwards

C. Marked distress regarding binge eating is present.

D. The binge eating occurs, on average, at least once a week for three months.

E. The binge eating is not associated with the recurrent use of inappropriate compensatory behavior (for example, purging) and does not occur exclusively during the course Anorexia Nervosa, Bulimia Nervosa, or Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder.
 
Well done, sounding good.

Just to say a little bit more about the Binge Eating Disorder and what your CDC has said. (I'm not good at using the quotes thingy).

The counselling that you would be likely to be offered on the NHS would be Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. That's because it's quicker (six sessions usually) and they currently see it as most efficient and proven.
This doesn't look at the past and roots of issues, it focuses on how thoughts influence behaviour. Generally therefore, pretty good for eating disorders.

Life coaching; fine- but- eating disorders are complicated. Find one who knows about them...
(Less likely than if you spoke to an actual psychologist who would refer you on to a specialist eating disorders counsellor).

Hypnosis. Again- fine- but...The suggestions you are given in your hypnosis are crucial. What you don't need is a hypnotist telling you, as they would someone who overeats a bit, to eat healthy foods and not eat unhealthy foods. Your binge eating is likely to be triggered by a variety of emotional and physical factors. What you want your subconscious to be telling yo in your hypnosis is to find alternative ways of coping with those factors.

It would be good to think that your GP would have reacted differently if you'd said you were bulimic.
However, I've not experienced good knowledge of, or interest in, my bulimia when I tentatively mentioned it years ago.

I would recommend going back to your GP, because you're the service user- and asking to be referred to an eating disorders psychologist. That is the pathway they're supposed to take for people who come to them with the symptoms of eating disorders. You wouldn't be being demanding, just reasonable.

You seem to have correctly identified a problem. If you had diagnosed yourself as having a broken leg, would you accept anything other than going to someone who knew lots about broken legs and how to treat them?

Below is the criteria that Doctors and psychologists will be using;

DSM-5 Proposed Diagnostic Criteria for Binge Eating Disorder



A. Recurrent episodes of binge eating. An episode of binge eating is characterized by both of the following:

1. eating, in a discrete period of time (for example, within any 2-hour period), an amount of food that is definitely larger than most people would eat in a similar period of time under similar circumstances

2. a sense of lack of control over eating during the episode (for example, a feeling that one cannot stop eating or control what or how much one is eating)

B. The binge-eating episodes are associated with three (or more) of the following:

1. eating much more rapidly than normal

2. eating until feeling uncomfortably full

3. eating large amounts of food when not feeling physically hungry

4. eating alone because of feeling embarrassed by how much one is eating

5. feeling disgusted with oneself, depressed, or very guilty afterwards

C. Marked distress regarding binge eating is present.

D. The binge eating occurs, on average, at least once a week for three months.

E. The binge eating is not associated with the recurrent use of inappropriate compensatory behavior (for example, purging) and does not occur exclusively during the course Anorexia Nervosa, Bulimia Nervosa, or Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder.
thanks for that , it was CBT I requested and he said that he could refer me to a CPN who may then refer me on .. but it could take 12 months :/ he said i would be better paying privately if it was an option or he would refer me to a dietitian ... errrm no !!! I think I may go back and see another GP and see if I get a different reaction .. I know different PCTs have different referal processes but I really think 12 months is too long to wait for me :/
 
I have one in both places as although I feel I should be in the 1000 - maintainence now .. i dont seem to get any replies to my questions or any comments on there so am happier here ... I will keep it up in both for now ...

this is how i'm feeling today. forgotten and abandoned. just feel so sorry for myself sometimes. self pitty!

flat stomach. try some core stability, pilates type thing.
 
this is how i'm feeling today. forgotten and abandoned. just feel so sorry for myself sometimes. self pitty!

flat stomach. try some core stability, pilates type thing.

I've felt like this since I went onto maintain and even more so now I am pregnant :( xx I come on here every day and I post in my diary in pregnancy without the pounds but I don't feel part of CD anymore even though I did it successfully if that makes sense :(

xx

Well done Katie, that is fantastic I know how much you struggle with your carbs you are doing fantastic and I am really enjoying watching your journey through to maintain. Cant wait until you get your goal ;) xx
 
i think people are more concerned with getting it off and don't go into the maintenance thread :( just feel cut off from everyone. like a spare limb that is not attached to anything. sometimes i am guilty of reading and not posting.
 
thanks both of you , I feel it too .. dont feel like I should be here any more even though I am still on CD .. even facebook is making me depressed at the moment !!!

I may give pilates a go thanks great things , just need to find a class I can fit round the kids somewhere .. or maybe get a DVD ....
 
i did pilates for 6 weeks but i really did not like it, plus it started at 7.30pm and it was really late. i ended up dragging myself there and i really did not want to be there. i also found an hour too long and everyone else was so much more advanced than me. i'm a high energy person and prefer jumping around like an idiot and body pump etc. now i do a 30min core stability class twice a week. it has pilates moves in it but is shorter and i prefer it. a dvd would be an excellent idea.
 
Katie have you thought about doing the shred hun ? xx I can't wait to do some exercise again - I'm going to start swimming now and got a pregnancy yoga dvd :) .. Great things you hit the nail on the head there, but its silly cos everyone has to maintain at some point and it really is the hardest part x
 
I must give the shred a go .. i am guilty of having bought it ages ago .. and its still inits wrapper !!! will start it at the weekend after my nights !

I dont understand why so people dont use maintainence .. although I guesss a lot of people dont work up the steps .. my CDC wants me to start 1200 either next week or the week after and the booklet doesnt give any amounts etc and I cant find any ideas of meals anywhere :/ I thought 1000 was complicated but its a doddle ompared to 1200 !!!!
 
Morning Moleymole, Nikki, KateF and Katie --

I hope that you are all doing well today, and focusing on the positive things in your lives.

Re: the Maintenance Thread being "quiet"... I suspect that most people (like I was in the past) are only on this forum when they are struggling to lose weight, then when they have lost it -- they stop -- and only after they regain do they come back and start using the forum again. Hence all the returners (and not just CD, but with every diet).

You are the "wise ones": the ones who are well aware that the true struggle is to keep it off and "fix" whatever it was that led you to becoming so overweight in the first place. And, it is good that you have each other.

KateF your advice was so helpful, and Katie I wish the NHS did not make people wait so long for help, it is so distressing. My friend's 22 year old son suffers from terrible depression: he can get drugs, but no therapy. It is so sad.

But, re: the others on this forum -- those who are still struggling to lose weight -- could it possibly be that they are "jealous or not interested" in your struggles, because they might be thinking, "I wish I had their problems"... i.e to be at goal or close -- instead of morbidly obese, obese, overweight, etc.

And, I get that.

I am "happy" that my "problem" is that I regained just over 1/2 of what I lost in 2008 on LL, instead of "all of it" or as a friend of mine did "all of it, plus 20% more!"

I am "pleased" that I am working on figuring out to keep it off this time, even as I am still working to lose the last stone.

I am "thankful" that someone recommended the Beck book, and others posted its praise. I am "glad" bought it, and am "proud" that I am actually using it -- and I am "convinced" that it'll help me not only to lose it, but keep it off this time.

I hope that all of you have a wonderful day, and there are loads of people who read through the diaries but do not post. And, I know that will find what you have to say helpful.

MM
 
Tuesday 15th March

Have had a good day today , blipped slightly last night but straight back on track and hopeful for this week :)

Been to Dr and had my implant out today , she said it was the easiest one she has ever taken out .. well i guess all the fat she put it in is now gone and it was just rolling around in the saggy skin of my bingo wing !!! The implant was so convienient but I gritted my teeth and waited out 9 months of constant TOTM , which finally settled .. BUT left me wit NO sex drive at all .. when i had always had quite a high one ... so out it came tonight and back on the pill !! My and hubby have the appointmennt to sign the paper work for him to have the snip on friday so it wont be long until I dont have to worry .. which although I am a little sad ... will be great

popped to town this afternoon and signed my 4 year old up for swimming lessons which she stars on thursday .. i think I am as excited as her .. its like a rite of passage ... I remember starting swimming lessons and they became a big part of my life when I was young :D

Tomorrow I have a chilled day .. i plan to sort and put away all the clean washing I spent hours ironing today .then chillin and then working the night shift :/ I would have done more washing but my washing machine seems to be home to some dead animal (or something that smells just as bad ) ... am very glad we pay a small amount monthly on extended warrenty for it !!!
 
Hi katie,

Try some of that "washer" cleaner stuff you can buy at Tescos. It seems to help with the mildewey smell that washers sometime get.

I am glad your procedure went well... it can't be fun. BTW my neice gained 20 pounds when she went on the implant, and lost most of it when it came out.

MM
 
Hi katie,

Try some of that "washer" cleaner stuff you can buy at Tescos. It seems to help with the mildewey smell that washers sometime get.

I am glad your procedure went well... it can't be fun. BTW my neice gained 20 pounds when she went on the implant, and lost most of it when it came out.

MM
ooo keeping my fingers crossed for a 20 lb loss this week !!!!
 
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