Gaz & Scaz - your views!

[dslater]

Well, I'm new and I don't know you 2 yet But I've always been an advocate of "Tough Love" when it comes to dieting...

If anyone wants something hard enough they can DO it... If they want it hard enough they have to go for it..

I know a lot of people find LT hard aswell, but for me, it's the best diet i've been on. because I know I can only have 2 shakes a day, I never have the tempation of being able to "Cheat". anyway just my 2 cents.

Dave

 

[scazman]

It always astounds me when people who've been on a forum slightly longer than others 'newbies' in this case think they have more right to say what they want to than the people with less time on it. Like there is somekind of chronological scale of merit.

Scaz in reply to your post and poll, it's fine for you to have strong views, don't be surpised though, when others have equally strong views.

I think the point is that those who've been on LT longer tend to have more to offer in terms of advice? Perhaps I'm wrong...but I doubt it!

Anyway, the scary people are those who advocate cheating! Cheating is a bad idea no matter how long you've been using the forum or LT. In fact you cannot cheat on LT...you are either on TFR or you aren't.

It's not unsurprising that most of those who have opposed the cheating brigade are those who have used/are using LT successfully. I'm sure I speak for others when I say that we are only trying to help by making folk aware of the pitfalls. It's no skin of my nose if others feel different but it does annoy me that some people can give false messages about the nature of LT/TFR/VLCD as this will give false information to those people who are struggling on the programme and are vulnerable to failure.

Let's keep it real and remember that -

FOOD IS FOR WIMPS!!!

 

[princess-of-power]

What a way to make newbies feel welcome and feel their opinions are valid.

I may be a 'newbie' to LT but Im certainly not new to a VLCD and have been there, done that. And again, Ive never cheated.

But I will always stand for the right to have my own opinion. In MY opinion, tough love doesnt work for EVERYBODY...and never expect everyone to agree with you.

I do NOT and never will advocate cheating. But I certainly will not give those who cheat a hard time...they probably feel bad enough as it is.

Its doesnt matter how hard a diet is, if you feel demoralised and a failure, it will increase the chances of people giving up.

By offering positive support, you give that person more chance to give THEMSELVES some tough love and they'll hop back on the wagon.

 

[dslater]

What a way to make newbies feel welcome and feel their opinions are valid.

I may be a 'newbie' to LT but Im certainly not new to a VLCD and have been there, done that. And again, Ive never cheated.

But I will always stand for the right to have my own opinion. In MY opinion, tough love doesnt work for EVERYBODY...and never expect everyone to agree with you.

Yep, you're right Princess.. I think everyone just needs to stick by eachother. It's hard for all of us. And I do understand the people that can run into a hurdle, hell, i've done it before on previous diets.. i'm approaching this one with an entirely different attitude personally..

Maybe i'm employing tough love on myself. haha !

 

[dslater]

you made a sneaky edit! and i replied what you edited. haha

 

[catznolan]

haha sorry i have to laugh at this thread. im on ll not lt but thought id stick me head in ha!!

firstly i will say i too dont agree with cheating in a tfr diet. ye i agree that at times there simply isnt any thing else u can do but eat but i think if ur going to pay the amount for any vlcd and then cheat why do it?
a tfr diet is exactly what is said on the tin and not everyones cut out for it ( i tried lt and cd and i wasnt in the right frame of mind or cut out for these)

im on ll for 6 weeks now and not one thing bar water, shakes, and headache tabs have passed my lips (what goes on in the bedroom doesnt count ha). i have my mind set on this diet and no i will not cheat for anyone.

people do have different opinions, and if u post a "confession" u have to expect some tough love from some people, because that is the way they feel. if ur not able to except that then think twice before posting it!!

when i read the cheating on lt thread i thought u were just telling it like it is, not trying to offend anyone, but maybe hit home with some people that look this diet isnt for u just now!!

(think im finished ha)

 

[princess-of-power]

you made a sneaky edit! and i replied what you edited. haha

lol, I couldnt help myself, my fingers were runnign away with me!

I think the only person who has any right to play the tough love card is the person doing the diet.

I hated myself enough to do this diet (twice...*sigh*) and gave myself a REALLY hard time in order to do this and it worked.

But I know if someone even close to me, rather than a stranger on the internet told me to get over myself...it'd never inspire me to stick to the straight and narrow!

Its a good thing Ive never ever been tempted to cheat! But if I did, I would listen to myself rather than anyone else.

 

[fattothin]

lol, I couldnt help myself, my fingers were runnign away with me!

I think the only person who has any right to play the tough love card is the person doing the diet.

I hated myself enough to do this diet (twice...*sigh*) and gave myself a REALLY hard time in order to do this and it worked.

But I know if someone even close to me, rather than a stranger on the internet told me to get over myself...it'd never inspire me to stick to the straight and narrow!

Its a good thing Ive never ever been tempted to cheat! But if I did, I would listen to myself rather than anyone else.

And that is your opinion pet as Scaz and others have theirs

 

[dslater]

Princess, on the other side of the coin... Don't you think that some people start posts on the site to get talked OUT of doing something wrong? As if they need/want someone to employ "Tough love"

 

[fattothin]

some women need a little loving and some need some tough loving im here to meet your needs and you get a discount for been an LT'er and I am doing a discount for cash. ;-) xx

 

[princess-of-power]

Im glad you agree with my opinion that I am allowed to have my own opinion that others are allowed to have their opinions and Im allowed to have my own opinion...

This could go on and on and I have better things to do with my time in places where I am more welcome.

Im leaving this argument to the kings of the lipotrim forum, as its not as if I'll ever need to broach the subject,I am not a cheater and will never require or accept tough love from anyone else but myself if ever came to that.

Thankyou for putting us newbies in our places and congratulations on making us feel most welcome.

 

[scazman]

Also some post their failings so someone tells them that it's okay and they get the affirmation they crave. That, my fellow forumers cannot be helpful!

Princess - you damn feisty girl!

The issue isn't with newbies anyway - it's with people who should know better advocating cheating etc etc etc!!!!

 

[princess-of-power]

Lol, I cant help it Scazman...its an almost pathological need of mine to defend the underdog, has been since I was knee high to a grasshopper.

 

[fattothin]

So a little loving is out of the question.
Its a shame you feel like that as its a silly thing to do when people dont agree. I dont think Im out of order saying this but I reckon I have made hundreds feel very welcome on here and I will continue to do so.
And please Im not a King I would never pass myself off as royalty 'Princess' xxxxx

 

[dslater]

lol

 

[princess-of-power]

No, I know you guys have helped a lot of people and that's great.

If you check out my blinkie...you may see why I called myself princess-of-power (she-ra...I loved her as a kid). Its also a play on a nickname from my fiance and my soon to be married name. It helps me feel positive.

And I have a fiance also on LT who keeps me going, so sorry to have to turn you down FTT but no loving is required for me....lol. I certainly havent felt loved on here anyway.

 

[fattothin]

on a personal note you dont have a picture of ya in the outfit do ya ;-)xx

 

[Pink starz]

ok ok i mean honestly have you even read this thread, I think some people are having there time of the month... dont be bloody sensitive

This is a support forum for LT diet! I thought the idea was to come on when you think about cheating and then not cheat, Not come on to get a there there you screwed up its all ok...... Why even attempt the diet then!!!! I know it its hard i done it for 6 weeks then refed then started again, 2nd time it didnt agree with me and thanks to the support and advice from here (gaz and trace) i decided to do low carb. You just need to be in the right frame of mind.

At the end of the day dont do the diet if you gonna cheat, it is a totally waste of your time energy and emotional state. it is tough hence the reason this support is so good. Go down another route for your weight loss.

If you gonna do it do it right ! and dont expect people to molly cuddle you incase they hurt your feelings I mean come on....grow up!!

 

[princess-of-power]

on a personal note you dont have a picture of ya in the outfit do ya ;-)xx

HA! Nope, I tried to get one for my hen night but the ones available were rubbish. So Im settling for a Rainbow Brite costume instead!

 

[fattothin]

must say your abs are looking good there Starz mmmmm x