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You can get the extra light philly that work well with most of the recipes on the philly site. I know they are under the normal philly category, but i just substitute it with the extra light version. x

I've been umming and arring for ages about starting a diary. But decided i have nothing to lose. I have bought a new DVD - that 30 day shred one and i plan to do it as often as possible. I'll also go to badminton 2 times a week. I'll write down every day what i have eaten in the hope that i'll...

i used it and it was fine. Its within limits, just, as its 5g. But no reaction. I dont dare try an egg on its own, like boiled, but i have tried it as an ingredient like in this meal a few times and have always been fine.

Have you counted every calorie that passed your lips? Have you had your thyroid checked? Simple blood test if you haven't. Maybe give strict calorie counting a go and drink 8 glasses of water a day. Water is important because it flushes out your system and get food moved along faster. If your...

but i found this and made it this evening. I used the Extra Light Philly and i halved everything to make it for 2 (having it for 3 would have been pushing it). I added garlic when dry frying the bacon. Other recommendations were to add peas, mushrooms and/or onions as well. So we'll do that next...

It'll be the chocolate then. Thats is over 5g per 100g. I'm not sure what the amounts are for sausages. I have the Morrison's one after a recommendation off here and they are within the rules and fab. ETA - per 100g it is 30.7g fat for the chocolate, so i would say it is that. So that finger...

The rule also stems from what the tablets will get rid of. You should only eat a max of 15g fat per meal and a max for 45g per day. If you have something that is higher in fat, then that'll push your total fat in your meal higher. So i think the main idea is that if you eat the low fat stuffs...

And dont forget, the people who have tried things like cheese thos weekend, you have upto 72hrs before you see any side effects! I personally have effects after 24hrs, but some people take longer. I personally wont eat anything not in the rules. The side effects aren't nice and it defeats the...

From what i understand it effects the oral pill because it's harder it absorb into the body. The pill stays in you body for less time because of the orlistat. I'm on the Implanon Implant and mine is fine because its not oral. Might be worth ringing a Chemist now before they shut (most...

Wine is fat free too. Its the calories in wine thats the problem. I can have wine and not have any effects of the scales. Only real booze that you need to keep clear of is cream based ones like Baileys at the like. All other booze is fat free, but just keep check on cals. They wont effect you on...

The diet drinks are fine on Xenical, even for calorie counting as they are low in cals and are fat free. I like Pepsi max, preferably with Vodka in it! lol

I cheat and buy Tesco's frozen roasties! lol. They are lower fat than the Aunt Bessie ones. I enjoy them though.

yes, that is a fine amount. There is no minimum, just a maximum. You'll find as you get more used to the diet that you'll want to sneak naughty things, this is where the tablets work for me best, it stops me being naughty! lol

Dont forgot why people get the side effects! They get the side effects from eating too much fat. Its fat that is the orange stuff. Therefore your not eating too much fat which is good. The side effects are a sign that your over working the tablets. Thats is why there are the rules in place...

Yes, they are fine. In 'ready made' stuff, dont worry about the ingredients. As long as they are ok in the nutritional column, then your ok. Some people get away with whole egg, so don't. But when its added to something like this, it is totally ok to have. ETA - the fat doesnt go down because...

Dont worry so much about the amount of fat that your having, you can have a virtually fat free diet on Xenical. Although Xenical works by getting rid of the fat you eat, it also works to stop people cheating and eating what they shouldnt (thats how it works for me anyway! lol) But as Ali said...

Basically, the tablets 'absorb' 1/3 of all the fat you eat and take it out of your body in your poo (can't think of a nice word! lol). The other 2/3's you use in energy. If you overload in fat, then the tablets will try to get rid of more than it can 'absorb' so it will exit as orange oil. So if...

I tend to have a steak, i ask for it to be grilled or dry fried. I then have potatoes, no butter or jacket spud. I would explain that you can't eat any fats, it makes you ill (dont have to go into details) and even ask if they could rinse any veg in hot water before serving if they make a big...

Its cos your not eating lots of fat, so your body is using more of what you eat rather than getting rid of it. I find having Shreddies for breakfast every day helps. But i can still go a few days before needing to go. But its because i'm putting all the right foods that my body needs into my body.

I just have a low fat snack. I dont think the tablet stays in you stomach long enough to work on snacks too, so i just remember that i'm probably going to absorb all the fat in the snack rather than the tablets taking some away. So i stick to low fat or as near as fat free as i can. I'm not...

It was me who said about the Bisto Best. Its the glass jars. Only gravy i have found that we can have. I too mentioned about the philly, only the extra light one. I put milk in my mash too, thats fine, but substitute the marg/butter for philly.

I see what you mean on the majority of your post. I personally wouldn't have the marg on the bagel etc, especially if its warm. But i get the rest of your post. i have asked this in the past but i dont think i worded it as well as you have. Perhaps it might be worth asking xenical direct (then...

If you look in the box, xenical says no more the 45g as the tablets cant cope with it. Think your mum's nurse has got the wrong end of the stick. Ignoring the fact that i was told to just avoid fat and that the less i had the bigger the weight loss. My dr would be happy if i had 10g of fat a...

Yes, your right on the 5g/100g section. So the same if your eating something that has 2g per 100g and your eating 50g, you'd be having 1g fat. I dont use marg. I'm not sure that there is any within the rules as it is essentially pure fat. I use a thin scraping of extra light mayo or on toast i...

The dorrito dips are in the rules. But my all time fave with fajita wraps is coleslaw. I make my own. I use a v-slicer or mandolin, and shred half a white cabbage, 1 or 2 onions and grate some carrots. I then leave it without the mayo. DH adds his own light mayo and i add my own extra light...

Yes it is. As long as any item is less than 5g per 100g then its fine. It doesn't matter that you add water to it, because water is fat free. If you add cream for example, the powder sauce is still fine, but the finished product isn't because cream is well over.

Mines Philadelphia, the extra light version. Use it to make creamy mushrooms on toast, mash etc. Yum

At my docs, we had discussed a while ago about having the tablets. After a few weeks of thinking about it i went back and told her that i wanted them. She weighed me there and then and gave me the prescription. I went back every 2 weeks for 8 weeks to get weighed so that i could be logged. I now...

Do you know the rules for these tablets? I think most people have a dramatic change in diet. You have to look on the backs of all food that you eat etc. The rules are (just in case you weren't aware) is that we can't eat or drink anything that has more then 5g of fat per 100g of product. It...

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mine is 30lbs too, so another cheese addicted American (i personally have gone off cheese now! lol) Bunny - i have just been told via my facebook, that we have also lost the equivalent of 240 sausages - which is 30 of the 8 pack ones!!!!! Wouldn't fancy trying to carry that around now! lol

What soup did you make with the butternut squash? Really fancy trying one, but dont know what to do with it. I love soups, but DH isnt a fan unless its Chicken soup. lol.

I'm a bit lazy with mine. I do whole chicken for a roast, gammon joints and beef. Chicken goes in on its own, it creates a lot of juices after a few hours. I put a cup of water in with the gammon joints and i cover the beef with Bisto Best Pork Gravy (only one we can have). I ahve done a LOVELY...

And i'll be honest, the main reason i'm doing this is because me and DH would like to start a family, but dont want to at this size.

I cant wait to be able to buy clothes in ANY shop not just the plus sized place (actually, to shop in clothes shops will be nice, i have to use plus sized online!) also to be able to buy a top in Primark for £3 instead of a plus sized at £15+!!

For anyone who takes a pack up to work, put a tablet in your lunch box. Before bed, i always tear off the 3 tablet strip and leave on the worktop in the kitchen. I always put one on my plate when having lunch and i always take one whilst i'm dishing up dinner. That way i can see how many i have...

I have hubby here who can explain things, so will get him to word it all. Its all to do with %. We cant eat anything with more then 5% fat. The easiest way to work that out is by looking at the per 100g column. 5g of fat in 100g of product is 5%. So, say we have a product that has 4g fat per...

I eat them all the time too. We have them at least 3 times a week.

I follow the rules. It says on the leaflet that your to have no more than 15g of fat per meal, the tablets get rid of a third of the fat you eat, so they get rid of 5g which is the most they can cope with so therefore your body uses the other 10g (if you do have the full 15g per meal) as energy...

oohh no i haven't tried them. Please let me know what they are like. Missed my sausages and mash with onion gravy.

Philly cheese can go in loads of things. Google for their website, they have some nice recipes. I also put it on warm bagels with Streamline jam. Yum.

search fat free recipes. I haven't tried any buns, but i have made a fat free sponge and a fat free fruit cake which is lovely!!! If you cant find one you like, let me know and i will write out my copy.

For my dinner i cheated! lol Was meant to have a roast, but ankle has swollen to double its size, so had it elevated all afternoon. So instead we have chicken (put in slow cooker this morning) with home-made coleslaw which i have extra light mayo and DH has light mayo so i leave it without mayo...

But it is over the allowance. Xenical rules are not to eat anything that has more than 5g of fat per 100g. On xenical you should only look at the per 100g column. It doesnt matter if you have 1g or 100g of something, it is over the fat allowance. Holliekin and bunny-hops are correct. I hope...

Your very welcome. So you can go back to your mums and take your own gravy! lol The only thing i do different for me and DH is the mash. I mash the spuds with milk, take mine out and then put marg in DH's. I sometimes put Extra Light Phillidelphia in my mash, especially nice on Shepherds pie...

No, it doesn't taste porky IMO. I would struggle to do this diet without it because i LOVE gravy. lo. I use it to make shepherds pie with mince and tastes fab. Keep an eye out in Asda. Its normally £1.45 a jar, but they keep putting it on offer. I stock up then. lol

But dont forget that that is per serving, not 100g. We have to go by the grammes of fat per 100g, not serving. Its actually 8.3g fat per 100g, so over normal allowance since we're not supposed to consume anything with more than 5g per 100g. Also, try with caution if you still want to try it...

There is a gravy we can have. Its the Bisto Best in the glass jars, the blue one, pork i think. Its the only gravy i have found that we can have. I use it loads. Normally take a jar with me if eating at In-Laws or mums.

I'm just on my way out, but if you look on Asda online, you can look at the nutritional information on most things. You dont need to put any personal details in, just click 'start shopping'. HTH

What sort of gammon? I do a gammon joint in the slow cooker on Sundays and i have always eaten that. Bit of a :sign0007: if i shouldn't have been eating it!

I dont eat that much fat, so i wouldnt worry. My Dr said to avoid fat! Although i'm not that good, i still only have about what your having. The 45g bit is just a maximum. Still take your tablets as normal as they would get rid of a 1/3 of the fat you are eating. ETA - i have essentially, 4...

I agree with the other. Just do the fat until your settles in the new way of eating. Then do the cals too. My weight lose tapered off but that was because i wasnt eating enough. So i watch cals too now. But only being doing cals for about 5 weeks. Was happy to just do the fat part for about 8 weeks.

Just try to remember that when people say they had horrible side effects, its because they haven't stuck to it! My SIL tried the tablets. She was very un-supportive when i started these. Even after first weigh in she said to make the most of it because i'll get the horrible side effects that...

Yeah! I have just written them a stroppy message. It just doenst make sense. those mushrooms went from 0.3g fat per 100g to 16.2g when cooked how they said. But i had to find out the raw nutritional facts online. Which is wrong. I told them that i wouldn't expect to find the nutritional facts of...

Asda works out at 3.5% per 100g and Tesco 4.3% per 100g (might not be exact, just remembering from what i wrote on the freezer bags! lol). Its the extra lean stuff. Asda do it2 for £5. As there is only 2 of us in our house, i divide each pack in 2 and freeze it. I too make burgers. DH has cheap...

Its a bit naughty of Asda to do that really. They should give you the uncooked nutritional information. You dont get the cooking information on mince, do you? It just gives the raw information. In fact, i might write to them and moan because i think its naughty. When i look at the backs of the...

Yeah, but that is if you follow the cooking directions that they give which involves adding oil and butter.

as a rough guide. 100g mushrooms are 13cals and 0.5g fat. HTH. And fry light is fine too hun.

I think thats if you cook them how they described above - mentions something about brushing with oil. So it'll be the oil that is causing the problem. Mushrooms are fine. i live on them, literally! Love them with philly on! mmmm

Morrisons do quite nice crisps. Back 50 or so cals a bag. They have bacon waffles, salt and vinegar sticks and cheese and onion rings. I love them.

I have no idea, never done it, but worried about doing it! I'm rubbish at remembering if i have taken it or not. I now rip the 3 tablet strip off and leave it next to the kettle. That way i have one at each meal and i can tell if i have missed one or not. Fingers crossed you'll be ok.

We have wedges too a lot. But i par boil mine and sprinkle BBQ seasoning on mine, tried the Cajun, not too keen. DH loves it though. I par boil to make cooking in the oven quicker. But if i'm having a WW lasagne with it, i do the lasagne in the oven (hate it in the microwave) which takes 40 or...

elliebird, i see what you mean about making it simple, but if your not eating enough calories, then you'll make yourself ill and go into starvation mode. The only downside the the xenical rule is that it is good for cutting down fat, but it makes us cut down our whole food intake down. I was...

I earnt 1500 bonus cals yesterday (did 5 miles at gym and 1hr at badminton). I ignore the extra i earn. You need the 1200 cals to stop your body going into starvation mode, so when you exercise, your burning the fat. Your body is using the food you eat to keep running normally, but the exercise...

Dont worry about the other figures on Fitness pal, just do cals. I suggested you use that because i dont think your eating enough. I wanted you to see how many cals you eat in a day. I keep track of my own fat intake. Dont force yourself to eat, but keep over the 1200, that is the lowest you can...

Bunny, go do the My Fitness Pal. When your set up, you can set goals etc. Then when you have filled each days worth of calories in, it will tell you what you would weigh in 5 weeks if you kept going following a day like today. Mine is something like a stone in 5 weeks. I know its not healthy to...

I would concentrate on calories. I have been doing this. Struggled for a few weeks with 1/2lbs etc and found out after expermenting that i was only having between 900-1000 cals, at a push!! I never realised that i was eating that little. And to make it worse, each week i didnt lose much, i was...

Take away arent too bad, if you choose correctly. DH likes to get a pizza every now and then. so i have a chicken Shish kebab. Only about 300 cals. I have no salad dressing on and i normally do a few oven chips whilst i wait. Its all within the Xenical limits. Trying Chinese next weekend. Its my...

Don't eat baked beans!! lol. It makes me have bad wind. I'll have them as a treat at the weekend, although, its not really a treat for hubby!! lol It does go away. Maybe take Gastracote or the like to ease it a bit. Thats what i use, better than rennies and gavasgon etc.

OMG how scary are some of those meals!! The large breakfast with mushrooms is shocking 1548 cals and 97.5 g fat!!! I wouldnt have that if i was you! lol Could only find the Spag Bol and 5 bean chilli. I'd go for one of those.

I've looked again and found another site. A medallion is 27-31 cals. Thats just the eye bit. 0.5g fat.

Tried My fitness pal - was filling my page in - but they dont have it for fatless bacon. Nothing on the pack either, only for a rasher.

I've had a bit of a look, but cant find the answer. When i cook bacon, i just have the medallion section (i look through the packs to find the ones with the most medallion meat on it) and i cut all the white fat off. But i cant find the calorie content of it. Any ideas? I dry fry it too.

Where's that 'like' button??!! lol Well done, thats a great loss. xxxx

We should have a like button for threads like this!! lol

way way not enough!! I had:- Branflakes and Semi-Skimmed Milk Lunch - Tin of potatoes, 3 rashers of bacon (fat removed) and a leek, all chopped up and dry fried then put soy sauce over it. Tea was homemade spag bol. I'm still well below my calories, had about 1200, so need to have a few hundred...

Thanks for the advice ladies. At the moment, i am having 3 meals a day and only snacking in the evening - worst time of the day for me. See, my dr has confused me a bit. She said to eat what the pack says is a serving. So last night, i did that and i had way more chicken than rice!! lol So i...

No. The mayo is too high. You need to Very Light mayo i'm afraid. I've stopped having tuna mayo because of this (dont like the very light mayo)

I have been taking xenical for about 8 weeks. Cut portions down etc. But decided to start counting calories. As you can see on the left, i have a LOT to lose. So asked dr about calorie counting and she said to go no higher than 2000 a day, assuming that i must eat lots per day to be the size...

But don't waste your time on Tesco or Asda online, already looked there. Your better going to the shop TBH.

http://www.synephrine.co.uk/ Here is a picture of it. Don't go by what the shops say over the phone. I just tried to find them both online and they arent listed on either site, but unless you have a tiny shop - like a Local one, then they'll both stock it. When you phone them, they use the...

I stick to normal beans, and only at weekends!!! I never used to react to them, but boy, i dont half smell after eating them!! Just as well that i'm already married!! lol

Congratulations hun. What an inspiration to people like me who are just starting out on this journey.

You can have the Laughing Cow Really (or very) Light. We can also have Very Low Fat Philidalphia.

I use the oven chips in the orange bag that cant remember the name!!! lol. They are branded and advertise as being lower than 5% fat. Scrap that, looked on Asda online. lol. They are McCain oven chips, straight ones. They are 3g per 100g. Also, how about making wedges? I chop potaotes in to...

I'm going to use fry light as the butter us for greasing the pot.

but.... lol I was wondering, if you cook a recipe that calls for some sort of fat, like butter/marg, would i be unable to eat it as its over the 5g rule? I'm looking at a Potato, leek and bacon recipe (would remove fat off bacon) but it calls for 25g butter. It states that per serving, its 5g...

i do JD Williams, Marisota and Yours Clothing. I'm a 32 bottom because my legs an bum are very large. But then i have a problem with top half. Size 22-24 tops with 42b bra!! nightmare!!

I cant eat a whole tub of the frozen yoghurt, its too much. The raspberry sorbet is a totally different matter and that tub just goes into the bin! I have to hide them in the freezer. DH keeps eating them. Hardly fair since he can have all the 'naughties' he likes! lol

Is it the whole surgery that wont prescribe it? Maybe try a different doctor. Good luck with it. I have been using Xenical for 6 weeks. It really does help. Not cheated once which was my big downfall.

Tub and spoon too! lol I get a smugness feeling of putting the tub back in the freezer.

TBH - I never eat anything with 5g per 100g. Its always 4.9 or lower - i'm a bit scared if the 5! just in case! lol

Just looked on asda website. Their brand is a no-no. 5.4g fat per 100g.

Dont know for lemon curd, i dont eat it.

Streamline strawberry is 0.3g fat per 100g and 176 cals per 100g.

Marmite is ok. Can't tell you jam at the moment. i have a poorly cat asleep on me. Hubby will look at half time on footy. lol The bread is fine, but i was eating it for brekkie, dinner and supper (if i had any). So cutting it to one meal a day. I'll be making my own bread as of sunday - hand...

Its surprising what you can and can't have. I love those laughing cow triangles spread on top a warm pitta with cucumber on. mmmm lol Malt loaf is good too. I use Streamline jam on these and toast. I have been on these for 5 weeks. I lost 1 stone after 4 weeks. Only lost 1/4 this week. Was very...

Went and bought the Ben and Jerry's Chocolate Browny frozen yogurt! 3g fat per 100g. Its better than the proper ice cream!! They do Phish Food version too. Its a bit higher. mmmmm

Yeap, stink to the 5g/100g and no more than 15g per meal rules and you'll be fine.

Try Pretzels. I have the ones from Tesco -Penn something. They are below the fat rules. But dont eat a whole bag (the big ones) I did and didnt lose much that week (just over 1lb) and was a bit disheartened. I was like you. Had a sandwich for lunch and would also have a pack of Cheese and Onion...

I get chicken kebab from takeaway when hubby fancies a pizza. If i'm really hungry, i get an extra pitta with salad. Yummy yum.

Try eating more fruit and veg. I find it fills me up for longer.

In my opinion, it depends how badly you want to lose weight. I had a similar dilemma a few weeks ago and it turned out fine. I just ate what i knew was safe. I have been doing this for nearly 4 weeks and so far i have lost 16lbs. That includes a weekend where i drank 3 bottles of wine!! I have...

I'm not ruling out wine, but maybe not 3 bottles over 3 nights. Or at least if i'm having a binge, then go on vodka and pepsi max. lol TBH, i dont normally drink that much or binge, so i'll be sticky to my normal amounts. lol

I've just finished 2nd week on Zenical. First week i lost 8lbs! Very happy. Then i went to visit my mum and stayed 3 nights, drinking a bottle of wine to myself each night! Yes, 3 bottles!!! I still took tablets and ate low fat etc. Have had no side effects at all (bonus) but got weighed when i...

I'm asking because i think i'm going to have a problem a week on Saturday. I'm going to be in a situation where i'm not going to be in control of the food or where i will be home to run to the toilet if needed. So, what will happen if i dont take my tablets for the day? I obviously dont want to...

I'm not as experienced on these tablets yet as i have only be on them less than a week. I lost 4stone with Slimming World and put it all back on again. On these tablets i am purely sticking to a low fat diet. Only eating anything over 5g per 100g. Thats it! I think i have a lot more weight to...

I had 2 bagels last night. One with Quark and Streamline Jam - was very nice. The other with the extra light laughing cow! Yummy yum. I will go and look at the relish. Will be handy to have something like that in. Been for a sneaky weigh - official day isn't until tomorrow. But i have lost 8lbs!!!!

I'm getting some laughing cow cheeses as i love Dairylea on Ryvittas, but Dairylea is too high, even the low fat one!

tried extra light hellmans and its disgusting. lol Tried other brands too and would rather leave it. Used to eat quark, so i'll try that one.

Hi all I have over 13 stone to loose, so i can imagine me being about a lot!! Got my tablets on Friday. No problems so far, except being lethargic, don't know if that's normal. I have a question about spread to put on bread or toast. Normally on sandwiches i would just have low fat mayo, but...