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J2BLUE

Low Carber
#1
For a couple of days now i've been reading various sites about low carb diets and something i've come across which seems to be generally accepted is that our bodies need glucose to function properly. When in ketosis, ketones replace SOME of the glucose we need which is apparently about 200g per day and gets this down to 130g per day.

On a low carb diet, according to these sites, this glucose comes from protein which is converted to glucose in order to fuel certain cells. The conversion rate is about 1g of protein to 0.7-0.8g of glucose so to use an average of 0.75g we would need 173g of protein a day just to function properly before we even considered needing protein for growth, repair etc etc.

I was under the impression from Atkins that there were 'two parallel fuel systems' and ketosis took care of everything. Surely none of us can be hitting about 210g of protein per day?

I had begun an ultra high fat version of Atkins today where my macro breakdown was: F 166g P 85g C 12g. This feels a bit wrong now.

I had a theory that higher fat would mean less protein to convert and no carbs available which would mean the body breaking down triglycerides and making its own glucose by binding two glycerol cells together (which can make glucose in small amounts). I guessed that this was why high fat seems to work so well because it forced the body to let go of the fat to get the glycerol to make the glucose...

Any thoughts? Anyone heard this before? Anyone want to tell me it's a load of crap so I can stay on the high fat diet? (I don't care if you're making it up! Just tell me!)

One of the sources: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/metabolism-and-ketosis/

That explains the whole thing best although I hope he's wrong.
 
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tazbabe

Gold Member
S: 16st2lb C: 14st2lb G: 10st10lb BMI: 36.2 Loss: 2st0lb(12.39%)
#2
hmm, interesting!
no time just now to read further, but i will tonight when i get in from work. then i'll let you know what i think.
 

Dietkitty

Rebel without a calorie
S: 15st0lb C: 14st7lb G: 11st7lb BMI: 32.8 Loss: 0st7lb(3.33%)
#3
I think you need to get a hobby! Right seriously, you've been successfully losing on Atkins so you know it works. Why would you want to change something that works? I can't see your sig or stats at the mo as I'm on my phone is it because you've stalled or something ?
 

J2BLUE

Low Carber
#4
I think you need to get a hobby! Right seriously, you've been successfully losing on Atkins so you know it works. Why would you want to change something that works? I can't see your sig or stats at the mo as I'm on my phone is it because you've stalled or something ?
This is my hobby! lol

I haven't stalled. I've just majorly f**ked up. I got to 99 pounds lost. Now it stands at about 75.

I shall stick to normal Atkins. *goes to sit in the corner and cries after being told off* :p;)
 

ladyfelsham

Clean green leafy machine
S: 24st11lb C: 21st3lb G: 10st0lb BMI: 52.6 Loss: 3st8lb(14.41%)
#5
I really understand you researching into the details - but tbh it just all sounds a bit complicated to me.

Maybe try and trick yourself into thinking you've never done Atkins before and do strict induction and see if it kickstarts you again - so no more shakes or pitta bread! I'm sure that will make a difference xx
 

drasim

Mayo Addict
S: 16st12lb C: 16st12lb G: 13st0lb BMI: 31.1 Loss: 0st0lb(0%)
#6
Hi mate,

Personally I don't believe in this fat/protein ratio. I go by what the diet is.....which is low carb / starch. Where do you think you're having trouble at the mo? See if we can help a bit..
 
#7
If you have specific questions on the technical stuff of Atkins you can email company representative Colette Heimowitz on the official site, The Atkins Community. She and others there are surprisingly helpful and usually very candid because they are there to promote the 'book' versions of Atkins and not the 'candy bar company' that the manufacturing side is often accused of having become. Hopefully she or another can give you some answers.

And yes please give yourself a break from this obsessive research! LOL.
 

jools1986

Silver Member
#8
I am just reading the atkins book quickly for you and there is a section called "what to do when you're not losing" or something to that effect and it suggests a very high fat approach for a week or so before induction. Could be worth a look? I can email you details if need be.

Also maybe do a clean induction week without shakes and stuff. I know this is alot easier said than done because I am struggling with this myself

Hope I can help!
 

jools1986

Silver Member
#9
Also, we all have different ways of getting through this, and if researching is what works then crack on!
 

J2BLUE

Low Carber
#10
Thanks everyone. I haven't stalled. I've just been an idiot for a few months and regained a bit. Now i'm looking back at lost time and wanting to get back to where I was asap, hence looking at ultra high fat! I will just have to put it behind me and restart induction (which I have today).

Seeing family in 14 weeks and i'll probably only be 1 stone lighter than last time even though it has been 6 months. Just gutted really.

Thanks all.
 

drasim

Mayo Addict
S: 16st12lb C: 16st12lb G: 13st0lb BMI: 31.1 Loss: 0st0lb(0%)
#11
Thanks everyone. I haven't stalled. I've just been an idiot for a few months and regained a bit. Now i'm looking back at lost time and wanting to get back to where I was asap, hence looking at ultra high fat! I will just have to put it behind me and restart induction (which I have today).

Seeing family in 14 weeks and i'll probably only be 1 stone lighter than last time even though it has been 6 months. Just gutted really.

Thanks all.
I gained 1.5 stone between March and May so you're not the only one - don't worry. To be fair though I was eating a lot of rubbish, hence coming back to low carb until I get to a decent BMI.

It's difficult when you have a lot to lose because you keep pushing your limits. I remember I went from 19 stone and got to 16.5 and I kept pushing myself to get to the 15s. In the end it got too much and went back to 17s.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is don't put pressure on yourself like I did :)
 

ladyfelsham

Clean green leafy machine
S: 24st11lb C: 21st3lb G: 10st0lb BMI: 52.6 Loss: 3st8lb(14.41%)
#12
I've just been an idiot for a few months and regained a bit...Seeing family in 14 weeks and i'll probably only be 1 stone lighter than last time even though it has been 6 months. Just gutted really.
Oh you made me smile James, because it completely mirrors what I've done. Lost nearly 3 stone without a problem, then - was it boredom, or wanting to speed things up? - I started experimenting with low carb FFs, started backsliding and slowly put weight back on :cry:

Now I read success stories like ber and wonder what I've done with the last six months! :eek:

Time to get back to basics and remember that it's not going to come off quickly after a certain time. You up for a 14 week challenge?
 

J2BLUE

Low Carber
#13
Thanks people! I think in loooking for a faster way to get back down to where I was i've actually lost further ground which is sad. I'm back on it properly now though. Good luck to you both!

You up for a 14 week challenge?
I am! I'm in the 14 week boot camp but after week one i'm something like +11 so that's not going well...yet.
 

ladyfelsham

Clean green leafy machine
S: 24st11lb C: 21st3lb G: 10st0lb BMI: 52.6 Loss: 3st8lb(14.41%)
#14
Let's help each other focus, then :) Once I've finished my wine....:)
 

ber-297

Full Member
S: 17st10lb C: 10st3lb G: 10st0lb BMI: 26.2 Loss: 7st7lb(42.34%)
#15
For what its worth , i think your being a bit harsh on yourself ! , your not an idiot , you are human !!

Research if that makes you happy , but keep in mind that each and every body is different to the next , what works for one person will stall the next , you have lost a shed load of weight , remember how you did it and you will drop the small regain in no time xx
 

ladyfelsham

Clean green leafy machine
S: 24st11lb C: 21st3lb G: 10st0lb BMI: 52.6 Loss: 3st8lb(14.41%)
#16
Good advice Ber - maybe we're in too much of a hurry and still have the dieter's head on - "quick result or I'm off!" :)
 

J2BLUE

Low Carber
#17
For what its worth , i think your being a bit harsh on yourself ! , your not an idiot , you are human !!

Research if that makes you happy , but keep in mind that each and every body is different to the next , what works for one person will stall the next , you have lost a shed load of weight , remember how you did it and you will drop the small regain in no time xx
Thanks! Good advice :D

Let's help each other focus, then :) Once I've finished my wine....:)
Sounds good! Drink up :)
 

ladyfelsham

Clean green leafy machine
S: 24st11lb C: 21st3lb G: 10st0lb BMI: 52.6 Loss: 3st8lb(14.41%)
#18
James - a research project for you - why does cheese stall some people?
 

ber-297

Full Member
S: 17st10lb C: 10st3lb G: 10st0lb BMI: 26.2 Loss: 7st7lb(42.34%)
#19
See I think you've hit the nail on the head there lady , we all want the weight to just fall off , which would be great BUT we didnt get this big in one year / whatever timeframe apply's , so we cant expect to lose it in the same period . We have a lifetime ahead of us to eat , shrink and be merry !! , so take each day as a fresh start and BELIEVE that we will get there , and we will all be lauging at the end of our journey.

Now , where's that wine :D
 


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