MissMiff you took the words straight out out of my mouth i was talking to friends and they said what about the lose skin you might have i said if i do it slowly i could be lucky but if im not who cares like you said there is only our hubbys who are going to see us he loved me me at 27st 11lbs and loves me now at 22st 9lbs so im sure when i get to my goal weight he will still love me im no way going to have surgery i will walk walk walk and use some weights for my arm but like your self i will not have surgery and i must confess i have bought the Paul McKennas hypnotic gastric band book, and cd im going to give it a go if it works it works if not then well i have nothing to lose well done both you and your hubby x x x