Thank you, I don't know what's going on with all the cheating I have done a vlcd before and found it tough but doable. My clingy monkey is making it hard to do the dvd but have watched it through, she's not messing about! Took some proper measurements today so I can really track my progress and get some realisation of how much work there is to be done. All I need now is some motivation ..... day 1 here i come!