Refeed for S&S is here :)

[Laurie]

I never used to like the feeling of lying down going to bed after eating.

 

[katiebaby]

I never used to like the feeling of lying down going to bed after eating.

Nor me it feels awful

 

[yummum2be]

I'm panicking about refreshing to be honest and I haven't even started the diet yet! Lol! I should probably reach my goal weight the week I go on holiday or thereabouts (fingers crossed) so not sure how I'm going to manage a refeed while I'm there? :-/

Any tips?

 

[BordersGirl]

Maybe you should plan to get to goal pre holiday, have a break whilst on holiday (where you will definintely gain - no way round it if you come out of ketosis without a proper refeed), and then get back on plan after the holiday to lose the gain, and then refeed slowly? It's pretty much what I'm going to do I think if I get to goal before my break for the Jubilee week.

 

[yummum2be]

That should've said refeeding it's the bloomin predictive text on the iPhone!! Stupid thing! Lol!

 

[yummum2be]

Think I might have to do that! Also I'm going to my friends wedding at the end of May at the other end of the country so it involves a weekend away and it's my first goal to drop poss 2 stone by then! There will be alcohol involved during the weekend but I will try to make wise food choices but how long would I need to eating 'normal' food for before it is safe to drink alcohol? I know that I will gain weight that weekend but I will eat healthily while I'm there

 

[BordersGirl]

That should've said refeeding it's the bloomin predictive text on the iPhone!! Stupid thing! Lol!

Must be my brain because I read it as refeeding and didn't realise you'd written refreshing until you posted a correction

 

[BordersGirl]

There will be alcohol involved during the weekend but I will try to make wise food choices but how long would I need to eating 'normal' food for before it is safe to drink alcohol?

I think that it's generally thought that you should come out of ketosis by the morning if you're going to drink in the evening by having carbs (porridge for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch maybe) earlier in the day. If you're planning on drinking at lunchtime then you should probably consider coming out of ketosis the night before. And don't forget that alcohol will affect you more having been on a VLCD a. because you're lighter and b. because you won't be used to it.

 

[Somerandomguy]

Sorry the eating after 8 makes you fat is a load of rubbish... I'm a bit worried a company whos hand's I'm putting my health in is coming out with old wives tales like this.
:s

As I said, it can make you sleep badly but a chocolate bar at 7pm is not better than one at 9pm.

In scientific and proven tests it was shown that eating on an evening decreases leptin which suppresses hunger in addition to causing an increase in cortisol for a 24 hour period which increases stress levels and causes emotional eaters to eat more.

In addition to this, food eaten at night is distributed into the blood stream to be used as energy, if you do not use this additional energy (as you would through the day) your body will store this excess of calories as fat regardless if the calories are in the form of fat or carbohydrates.

 

[weasey]

In scientific and proven tests it was shown that eating on an evening decreases leptin which suppresses hunger in addition to causing an increase in cortisol for a 24 hour period which increases stress levels and causes emotional eaters to eat more.

In addition to this, food eaten at night is distributed into the blood stream to be used as energy, if you do not use this additional energy (as you would through the day) your body will store this excess of calories as fat regardless if the calories are in the form of fat or carbohydrates.

Hmm - can you post a link for that last point? I don't think it's chemically possible for your body to store carbohydrates as fat. Of course, if you eat fat and carbs together and don't use the energy the fat would be stored.

 

[and]

In scientific and proven tests it was shown that eating on an evening decreases leptin which suppresses hunger in addition to causing an increase in cortisol for a 24 hour period which increases stress levels and causes emotional eaters to eat more.

In addition to this, food eaten at night is distributed into the blood stream to be used as energy, if you do not use this additional energy (as you would through the day) your body will store this excess of calories as fat regardless if the calories are in the form of fat or carbohydrates.

The first part I'm skeptical but the second part you're just wrong I'm afraid. That idea has been disproved in recent years. Even a quick google search will show you this.

And kinda weird you're posting this and it's your only post... What's your interest in this?

 

[Somerandomguy]

Hmm - can you post a link for that last point? I don't think it's chemically possible for your body to store carbohydrates as fat. Of course, if you eat fat and carbs together and don't use the energy the fat would be stored.

I can assure you 100% that you can store protein, fat or carbohydrates as fat very easily if your body does not use them for energy.

Rather than me post a link just try a google search for "can carbohydrates be stored as fat"

 

[katiebaby]

My body doesn't burn carbs effectively
Which my specialist says exactly why I was
So over weight

 

[Somerandomguy]

The first part I'm skeptical but the second part you're just wrong I'm afraid. That idea has been disproved in recent years. Even a quick google search will show you this.

And kinda weird you're posting this and it's your only post... What's your interest in this?

I am sorry but from your posts in regards to this matter your are clearly miss informed or reading incorrect data on the subject.

My apologies for my first post what should the content of my first post been about? I read many forums and do not feel the need to post but sometimes certain posts give me the urge to register! Should I of started with the name of my dog? Lol hope everyone having a good Easter and not eating all the Easter eggs.... Mine went to fido!

 

[Starlight]

Would be helpful if you could post a link though

 

[Somerandomguy]

The first part I'm skeptical but the second part you're just wrong I'm afraid. That idea has been disproved in recent years. Even a quick google search will show you this.

And kinda weird you're posting this and it's your only post... What's your interest in this?

I am sorry but from your posts in regards to this matter your are clearly miss informed or reading incorrect data on the subject.

My apologies for my first post what should the content of my first post been about? I read many forums and do not feel the need to post but sometimes certain posts give me the urge to register! Should I of started with the name of my dog? Lol hope everyone having a good Easter and not eating all the Easter eggs.... Mine went to fido!

 

[weasey]

I can assure you 100% that you can store protein, fat or carbohydrates as fat very easily if your body does not use them for energy.

Rather than me post a link just try a google search for "can carbohydrates be stored as fat"

I am quite aware that your body can turn protein into fat - it's reasonably simple chemistry. I'll go have a look at the carbs thing.

 

[BordersGirl]

Lol hope everyone having a good Easter and not eating all the Easter eggs.... Mine went to fido!

I hope not - chocolate is poisonous to dogs - something you'd also learn if you Google "chocolate poisoning in dogs" but I'll post a link for complete clarity:

Chocolate Poisoning in the Dog

 

[weasey]

Found an interesting article...

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/human-biology/fat-cell2.htm

It says that the body will convert excess carbs (ie glucose in the blood stream) to fat but that it is far less efficient at doing so than it is for doing fat.

It is also possible for fat cells to take up glucose and amino acids, which have been absorbed into the bloodstream after a meal, and convert those into fat molecules. The conversion of carbohydrates or protein into fat is 10 times less efficient than simply storing fat in a fat cell, but the body can do it. If you have 100 extra calories in fat (about 11 grams) floating in your bloodstream, fat cells can store it using only 2.5 calories of energy. On the other hand, if you have 100 extra calories in glucose (about 25 grams) floating in your bloodstream, it takes 23 calories of energy to convert the glucose into fat and then store it. Given a choice, a fat cell will grab the fat and store it rather than the carbohydrates because fat is so much easier to store.

However, it would not be the weight of glycogen stored in the body as it doesn't have the additional water molecules which glycogen has (about 3x in glycogen) and also 100 calories in carbohydrate (if it were converted to fat) would produce about 8g of fat as it needs more calories to convert.

Interesting stuff!

 

[Somerandomguy]

Firstly I apologise for the double post I am in a hotel on my iPad and my connection timed out, and secondly if you think I am trying to rub you up the wrong way it's not my intention!

I am a senior lecturer in applied nutrition and also hold post as clinical director of a local hospital here in Manchester.

I will leave you with this great quote from the Rockefeller institute of medicine research:

"if the doctors of today do not become the nutritionists of tomorrow, then the nutritionists of today will become the doctors of tomorrow"

Have a great evening everyone, early start for me