Sorry Karen, I do actually agree with you. I say that as I have experienced a fair few suicides where they can be described as nothing but selfish. One example is, the guy across the road split from his partner and left the family home. They had a young baby. One day he parked in the next street so as not to alert her to his presence when she arrived home, let himself into her house and hung himself from the loft so she would find him when she got hom - With their baby! Also many of the suicides we see at work include so awful displays which haunt people for years. I do understand though that many people who chose this path do so privately and in a way that will cause minimal trauma to those aroud them