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Vic Vodkas dieting rollercoaster - back to it!!!!
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jo u should charge u are ace !!
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The purest the betterest Vicky... check out the sugar content also... let us know what you find...
(I love white bread with lumps of sea salt in my butter! Eating wholemeal, particularly baker's wholemeal which is far more consistent and less pappy, would never send me into a binge!)
Thank you ditzeeeee... having failed several times in phase 3, and 4, I am perhaps more aware of the pitfalls... but I've also read the Atkins pages for a while too and see they're pretty similar. Too many people do induction, stop when they've lost enough, and that's it... I chose Dukan initially for the last two phases and here am I weighing MORE than at my start of Dukan...
Vicky... you didn't stabilise Atkins so I'd say go for as long as you can on Conso... to be honest, it can't be long enough in my humble opinion... "real life" can't be that far from the second half of one's Conso I don't think... How many slim people would eat more than 2 x 3 course meals a week? Or 2 additional portions of pasta?
(I love white bread with lumps of sea salt in my butter! Eating wholemeal, particularly baker's wholemeal which is far more consistent and less pappy, would never send me into a binge!)
Thank you ditzeeeee... having failed several times in phase 3, and 4, I am perhaps more aware of the pitfalls... but I've also read the Atkins pages for a while too and see they're pretty similar. Too many people do induction, stop when they've lost enough, and that's it... I chose Dukan initially for the last two phases and here am I weighing MORE than at my start of Dukan...
Vicky... you didn't stabilise Atkins so I'd say go for as long as you can on Conso... to be honest, it can't be long enough in my humble opinion... "real life" can't be that far from the second half of one's Conso I don't think... How many slim people would eat more than 2 x 3 course meals a week? Or 2 additional portions of pasta?
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Fruit - he says "all fruit, except bananas, grapes, cherries, dried fruits and nuts (walnuts, peanuts, almonds, pistachios and cashews)."
So one per day EXCEPT on PP day.
Cheese - all hard rind cheeses such as cheddar, Swiss cheese, Gouda and other cheeses from Holland, Tomme de Savoie (a hard French cheese from the Alps), Mimolette, Emmantel, etc. Avoid fermented cheese for now, such as blue cheese, Brie, Camembert or goat's cheese. 40g serving per day, except on PP day.
Re fat on bread - no best not. The "fat introduction" is done by the cheese, and the reintroduction of lamb and lean pork fillet once a week.
Veg is as on PV... every meal EXCEPT on PP day...
So one per day EXCEPT on PP day.
Cheese - all hard rind cheeses such as cheddar, Swiss cheese, Gouda and other cheeses from Holland, Tomme de Savoie (a hard French cheese from the Alps), Mimolette, Emmantel, etc. Avoid fermented cheese for now, such as blue cheese, Brie, Camembert or goat's cheese. 40g serving per day, except on PP day.
Re fat on bread - no best not. The "fat introduction" is done by the cheese, and the reintroduction of lamb and lean pork fillet once a week.
Veg is as on PV... every meal EXCEPT on PP day...
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** Chief WITCH **
No Vicky... we're not counting calories or dieting any more in phase 3... I can see that this one is going to be a tough one for you!!! We're having the amount of FAT in the cheese he wants because our bodies have been starved of FAT for however long we've been doing this diet and have to get used to it again.
If we eat nimble bread and low calorie everything, we've reintroduced nothing... and will gain 4lbs just glancing at a restaurant menu as we now do...
That's the treadmill I want to get off... We need to accept to eat some fat, and let our body tell us what it thinks... it mightn't like it... we mightn't like what the scales say... but, if we've only had the quantity permitted, and we've stuck to Conso rules and NOT had extras, any rise is temporary... while our body gets used to it again...
Perhaps this is why I'm squealing "no extras" now...?
If we eat nimble bread and low calorie everything, we've reintroduced nothing... and will gain 4lbs just glancing at a restaurant menu as we now do...
That's the treadmill I want to get off... We need to accept to eat some fat, and let our body tell us what it thinks... it mightn't like it... we mightn't like what the scales say... but, if we've only had the quantity permitted, and we've stuck to Conso rules and NOT had extras, any rise is temporary... while our body gets used to it again...
Perhaps this is why I'm squealing "no extras" now...?
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ooops gotta dash! see you tomorrow!
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Well done for the exercise!! Isn't it amazing how we are now making it part of our regular routine? (even if sometimes we have to "persuade" ourselves to do it!!)
I know what you were saying... but that defeats the object. You're calorie counting still. You must show your body REAL fat... REAL carbs... REAL sugar... as indicated if you ever hope to consolidate a low fat/low carb/no sugar weight loss.
Your body won't like it initially perhaps... and you mightn't like your weight initially perhaps (hence best NOT to weigh daily on Conso), but if ever we hope to step off this treadmill and NOT have 10-14lbs gains if ever we do "eat normally" on a given week, this is the way to do it...
I've seen people who've "dieted" their way through Consolidation, declare it a success (because they've not regained with their treat meals and dieting the rest of the time)...
but they're usually back a few months later in attack!
I think this is probably a problem serial dieters have more than "never dieters" or "seldom dieters". The latter will obey the rules, avoiding low fat and sweeteners because they're not used to eating that way anyway... they'll go for a small quantity of REAL fat, rather than use the (plastic fake) half fat options and want to double up (cos us serial folk like quantity more than quality!!)...
It's great to discuss this now... cos these issues come up time and time again in the latter phases...
I know what you were saying... but that defeats the object. You're calorie counting still. You must show your body REAL fat... REAL carbs... REAL sugar... as indicated if you ever hope to consolidate a low fat/low carb/no sugar weight loss.
Your body won't like it initially perhaps... and you mightn't like your weight initially perhaps (hence best NOT to weigh daily on Conso), but if ever we hope to step off this treadmill and NOT have 10-14lbs gains if ever we do "eat normally" on a given week, this is the way to do it...
I've seen people who've "dieted" their way through Consolidation, declare it a success (because they've not regained with their treat meals and dieting the rest of the time)...
but they're usually back a few months later in attack!
I think this is probably a problem serial dieters have more than "never dieters" or "seldom dieters". The latter will obey the rules, avoiding low fat and sweeteners because they're not used to eating that way anyway... they'll go for a small quantity of REAL fat, rather than use the (plastic fake) half fat options and want to double up (cos us serial folk like quantity more than quality!!)...
It's great to discuss this now... cos these issues come up time and time again in the latter phases...
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I see what you are saying Jo, but the way my mind is (as probably others) is that healthy eating is low fat. So I will still be eating low fat like salads and fish etc. is this wrong?? thats the way I read it in the book????
Anyway..... am in a pair of size 12 trousers this morning - still have my saddlebags but a couple more lbs off and some more exercise and I should be about there.
Put 3 pairs of trousers in the 'too big' bag last night for storage in the loft
So size 12 trousers, size 10 t shirt today am pleased. Some 12s do not fit yet so will keep going.
Was 11st 1 this morning and totm has started too.
Am so glad i got through that blip on monday and im looking forward to a good few weeks with plenty of exercise, not just the walking.
Anyway..... am in a pair of size 12 trousers this morning - still have my saddlebags but a couple more lbs off and some more exercise and I should be about there.
Put 3 pairs of trousers in the 'too big' bag last night for storage in the loft
So size 12 trousers, size 10 t shirt today am pleased. Some 12s do not fit yet so will keep going.
Was 11st 1 this morning and totm has started too.
Am so glad i got through that blip on monday and im looking forward to a good few weeks with plenty of exercise, not just the walking.
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Excellent news Vicky... that's fabulous... and I'm glad you're over your Monday blip too cos we'd miss you loads if you left us.
A healthy lifestyle will of course always mean watching the useless fats and carbs but we do need some... and whenever we eat out, cede to the odd pizza, or whatever, we'll meet some. We're not talking much quantity here. Try weighing out a 40g piece of cheese... it's small! I don't like cheese, so I scrape a little normal butter on. But nothing like the quantity I would have "normally".
We're talking a transition period... where our bodies, who've been starved of all starch, fat, alcohol (ahem), sugar are going to SLOWLY be reintroduced to such things.
Aren't people aghast when you mention how much you can gain in such a short period after Atkins/Dukan when we lose the plot? A (normal weight) friend of mine has recently returned from holiday, where she ate loads, and gained 2lbs. oh diddums!!
A healthy lifestyle will of course always mean watching the useless fats and carbs but we do need some... and whenever we eat out, cede to the odd pizza, or whatever, we'll meet some. We're not talking much quantity here. Try weighing out a 40g piece of cheese... it's small! I don't like cheese, so I scrape a little normal butter on. But nothing like the quantity I would have "normally".
We're talking a transition period... where our bodies, who've been starved of all starch, fat, alcohol (ahem), sugar are going to SLOWLY be reintroduced to such things.
Aren't people aghast when you mention how much you can gain in such a short period after Atkins/Dukan when we lose the plot? A (normal weight) friend of mine has recently returned from holiday, where she ate loads, and gained 2lbs. oh diddums!!
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I've been advising on French Dukan websites for several years now...
(just wish the message would get through to me!! that's why I'm hoping that, if I read the book in English, something might get through my thick skull!!!!!)
I guess also, where I come at this slightly different perhaps to some of you, is that (a) I've dieted all my life, so know most of the excuses myself (and probably invented them!! and (b) I dieted successfully for almost 18 months eating healthily and lost 11 stone that way.
Interestingly enough, Vicky, now that you've raised the issue - I realise that no I didn't go in for low fat, low calorie spreads etc (as I find them tasteless and horrible, so I preferred to have none at all) but did favour the lean meats/fish Dukan does. And learned to steam, poach, grill etc.
But I went for a eat as much as you like "veg / salad / fruit" plan, with far reduced protein to now... and that's probably where I'll end up again, perhaps upping the protein quantity and lowering the fruit as I did used to have lots!
(just wish the message would get through to me!! that's why I'm hoping that, if I read the book in English, something might get through my thick skull!!!!!)
I guess also, where I come at this slightly different perhaps to some of you, is that (a) I've dieted all my life, so know most of the excuses myself (and probably invented them!! and (b) I dieted successfully for almost 18 months eating healthily and lost 11 stone that way.
Interestingly enough, Vicky, now that you've raised the issue - I realise that no I didn't go in for low fat, low calorie spreads etc (as I find them tasteless and horrible, so I preferred to have none at all) but did favour the lean meats/fish Dukan does. And learned to steam, poach, grill etc.
But I went for a eat as much as you like "veg / salad / fruit" plan, with far reduced protein to now... and that's probably where I'll end up again, perhaps upping the protein quantity and lowering the fruit as I did used to have lots!
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Jet - I can do 8K in a week... sometimes a stone and a half... for me, it's because of endless dieting I'm sure that my body clings on for dear life when it gets real food!! Plus of course after a diet like this, you regain the glycogen... and as Dukan explains in the book, your body has a high risk period (Conso) where it wants you to regain the weight! p. 134-135.
Also, another subject we've not really touched on, is finding one's "True Weight". Not a weight we pluck out of our memories when we were 18 and looked and felt great. No... a weight at which we can strive to stay without ridiculous efforts, given our respective dieting pasts, age, number of children, effort prepared to make etc.
If people go too low, they'll struggle to stay there... I have issues with my True Weight, which is higher than I am now... I think I can go and stay lower... but I'm gradually accepting that my REAL True Weight might indeed be higher than I'd like it to be!
Also, another subject we've not really touched on, is finding one's "True Weight". Not a weight we pluck out of our memories when we were 18 and looked and felt great. No... a weight at which we can strive to stay without ridiculous efforts, given our respective dieting pasts, age, number of children, effort prepared to make etc.
If people go too low, they'll struggle to stay there... I have issues with my True Weight, which is higher than I am now... I think I can go and stay lower... but I'm gradually accepting that my REAL True Weight might indeed be higher than I'd like it to be!
