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BMI 25??

ava

Silver Member
#1
What is the lowest plan you can be on when you hit bmi 25, is it 1000? Also when do you start to move up the plans, is it when your a stone over bmi 25?

Has anyone else moving up the plans done more than 2 weeks of each, my CDC was saying the other day that she thinks it's best to do 3-4 weeks on each. Anyone else heard this? :)
 
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#2
I dont know he answer, but would like to know too!

I am sure a CDC will be on here soon with info.
 

ava

Silver Member
#3
Thanks mindovermouth. I'm even more confused after readiing this in the sticky at the top of the page

To do Sole Source (SS), Add-A-Meal (AAM) or the 790 your BMI must be no lower than 25 + 1 stone as these programmes are considered to be a Very Low Calorie Diet (VLCD)

So going by that you need to be starting 1000 by the time your bmi is 25+1?? Which i've worked out to be around bmi 27. But i've seen others on here only starting to move up the plans when they get to bmi 27, not before.

I'm really confused (doesn't take much) Any cdc around? :)
 

Mini

Administrator
Staff member
#4
Hi ava,


What is the lowest plan you can be on when you hit bmi 25
You can SS up to a BMI of 25 on CD.



When you reach target weight, or BMI 25, you should then do AAM week.

The following week you move up a step to 790 and continue moving up the steps until you reach 1500+ and then begin long-term maintenance.

It is up to you if you want to spend longer on each step.

Some people might like to stay longer on certain steps in order to gain confidence before moving on.

Or if they want to lose more weight. You will still lose weight quickly on AAM and 790 and if you feel your losing too fast, then you can move up a step.

Love Mini xxx
 

KD

Gone fishing
#5
You can SS up to a BMI of 25 on CD.
Sorry Mini, but I think the rules have changed and you mustn't be on SS or 790 once you reach a stone above BMI 25.

My calculations for my height would mean you would need to move up to 790 once you got to about BMI 28 if you wanted to stay on that for 2-3 weeks. By then you should be about a stone over the 25 when you would then go onto 1000 for as long as you want.

Though I realise that Cambridge is just following guidelines from COMA or whatever, personally I think this sucks;)

Those last couple of stone are a nightmare to lose and I am so glad that I did the diet before the rules changed was allowed to stay on SS until BMI 25.:p
 
#6
Although CD adhere to COMA recommendations, some of the NICE guidance supercedes this so there will be changes shortly.

CDC's will shortly be receiving training to update them on the new rules. Although in draft format the final rules have not been released.

Linda
 

ava

Silver Member
#7
Thanks for your replies, lots to think about. It's a little way of yet but I really want to get this part right.

Linda, when you say the guidelines are changing is that in reference to what bmi you can SS to? :)
 

Mini

Administrator
Staff member
#8
I have two sources of information which states that you can SS to a BMI of 25... as in The Cambridge Diet by Dr Alan N Howard book, page 23 it says, "Sole Source is suitable for those above BMI 25, with at least a stone (6.3kg) to lose.

Then in the little book I recieved from my CDC recently which I belive is the most up to date information called The Cambridge Sole Source Programme on page 12 it says...

"The Sole Source prgramme is a fast, safe and effective way to slim down to your target weight."

"When you reach targe weight, or BMI 25, you should take an Add a Meal week. The following week, move up Step 2 - the 790 kcal programme. You should continue moving up the steps..."

I think now I am with Ava on being confused:p
 

Mini

Administrator
Staff member
#10
Thanks Linda:)


To do Sole Source (SS), Add-A-Meal (AAM) or the 790 your BMI must be no lower than 25 + 1 stone as these programmes are considered to be a Very Low Calorie Diet (VLCD)

Love Mini xxx
 

KD

Gone fishing
#11
So if your one stone above your BMI of 25 you are not allowed to Sole Source on CD.

But you can do either AMM or 790.
I don't think you can AMM or 790 either:( you have to be on 1000 by then
 

Mini

Administrator
Staff member
#12
Hi KD,

Just after having a look on the thread and was editing my post when they crossed in cyber space!

To do Sole Source (SS), Add-A-Meal (AAM) or the 790 your BMI must be no lower than 25 + 1 stone as these programmes are considered to be a Very Low Calorie Diet (VLCD)

Love Mini xxx
 

KD

Gone fishing
#14
Hi KD,

Just after having a look on the thread and was editing my post when they crossed in cyber space!
Love Mini xxx
Ahh, I see. Which explains why I was doubly confused...pretty easy these days :D

I do think it's a shame though. It seems a long way off goal for some people to have to come off off 790. I know I continued to lose down to BMI 25 on SS (which was my goal at the time) and many LLers SS until goal whatever their BMI is without any obvious negative side effects.

I know that health is paramount though and these guidelines are put there for a reason.
 
#15
You can still do 790 if your BMI is 26 even 25.5 as long as you are on 1000 by BMI 25.

You just cant START a VLCD with less than 1 stone over BMI 25 if you are already dieting you can continue down the scale however if anyone came to me with a BMI of 26 I would have to start them on 1000 confusing innit.


Linda
 

Dobbie

I will get to goal .....
#16
Blimey ..... INFORMATION OVERLOAD!!!! :brainfart:

Very glad I read this thread - I'm not far off BMI 25 now so will 790 until I hit BMI 25 and then straight up to 1000 for my last 17 lbs. Might take me much longer than anticipated - but it's worth it to keep it off :D

Thank you guys for all this information - it's really important we get this bit right ;)
 

chicken on a mission

Restarting to lose 4stone
#17
At a BMI of 25 you do not have the body-fat to sustain a VLCD, simple as that.

In reality if you were to SS to a BMI of 25 you would find that the weight loss slows to nothing.

I continued to sole source on LL after reaching 25 bmi and the weight continued to fall off at 4lbs then 2lbs then 4lbs again and my body fat percentage continued to fall too so it wasn't at the expense of muscle.

My doctor was happy too so I wasn't concerned about adverse health reactions.

I think these changes are only in relation to non-doctor monitored programmes which is also why you need the AAM week with CD and not on LL. If you didn't then a mediacl professional needs to get involved.
 

Ruthlet

Wants to be a loser!
#18
Has anyone else moving up the plans done more than 2 weeks of each, my CDC was saying the other day that she thinks it's best to do 3-4 weeks on each. Anyone else heard this? :)
I have been moving up the plans since the begining of September to ensure I was ready to move onto the 1000 plan by the time I reached bmi 25. I did one week of aam followed by 4 weeks of 790 until I hit bmi 25. I am now on my third week of the 1000 plan. The yellow cambridge book recommends around 2 weeks on each step but it might be that your counsellor has found in their experience that 3-4 weeks is more beneficial?

Personally, I find that whenever I move between plans (even SS and aam) my body bloats and retains water the following week and sometimes into the next week which is why I have chosen to remain on the steps I have done so far for longer than 2 weeks.

I suppose if you wish to reach a goal weight at the lower end of the bmi scale it may be more advantageous to spend longer on the 1000 and 1200 steps to get to that goal?
 

Dobbie

I will get to goal .....
#19
That's good advice Ruthlet!! Will bear that in mind when I move up the steps - and thanks for the heads up about the water retention thing. At the slightest change my body seems to hold onto water for dear life :rolleyes:- so it's nice to be a bit prepared for this to happen as I move up ;)
 

SoonToBeGorgeous

Loving the Cambridge Diet
#20
I continued to sole source on LL after reaching 25 bmi and the weight continued to fall off at 4lbs then 2lbs then 4lbs again and my body fat percentage continued to fall too so it wasn't at the expense of muscle.

My doctor was happy too so I wasn't concerned about adverse health reactions.

I think these changes are only in relation to non-doctor monitored programmes which is also why you need the AAM week with CD and not on LL. If you didn't then a mediacl professional needs to get involved.
Possibly, though, a BMI of 25 was too high for your own skeletal frame size, so your body didn't object to the SSing. Most people do find that once they get to a BMI of 26 that the losses on SS slow considerably and that by going up to 790 it allows the body to go into fat-burning once again.

On CD if someone wishes to skip AAMW they must have the written consent of their GP in order to do that.

The research that was done proved that SSing to a BMI of 20 was quite safe, medically and that a BMI of 25 still carried significant health risks!

 


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