advice on having first food please....

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  1. puddinpie

    puddinpie Full Member

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    Hi all hope ur good, day 7 today so WI tom.... my leader away so will do an "unofficial" result then on sat will have been 10 days and will have "official" WI! Been 100% completely but am craving the need to eat so on sat night I may go for tea to my fave restaurant andx have roasted red pepper to start and then the main is....... lasagne :( ((so yummy)) is it gonna screw my weightloss up completely? Help advice please xxx
     
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    yes completely - sorry I know thats not what you wanted to hear. Neither option there is good and will knock you right out of ketosis and you will be back to square one with all those horrible first few days to get through again.

    Most of the weightloss in the first week is through depleting your glycogen stores and water - and eating "normally" again this early on will just replenish it all and the weight will go back on. I read a a great post about miners earlier this week which really helped to explain how it works - will see if I can find it.

    If you really really have to eat consider looking at the ss+ or 810 options (basically white meat - say grilled chicken and 2 or 3 spoonfuls of either green veggies or salad leaves) I'll be back in a sec with the full breakdown of the 810 - at least that way you can eat if you really want to. You are also far more likely to stay in ketosis - which means you stay burning fat.

    To be honest though half the battle is getting over that "need " to eat - its how CD works. I'll be back with the links
     
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    Heres the 810 option - off to find the miners now!!


    810 options updated 21/3/2010

    Choose one portion of protein-rich food from the list below:

    Protein Options


    250g plain cottage cheese (5% fat)
    325g reduced fat cottage cheese (less than 2% fat)
    175g chicken breast without skin/fat
    275g white fish fillet, eg cod, haddock
    260g canned tuna* in water (drained)
    190g fresh tuna steak*
    275g quorn pieces/mince (V)
    250g prawns
    2 large eggs (V)
    210g regular or 400g of firm tofu (V)
    80g dried weight red lentils
    225g canned chick peas, drained
    70g dried weight soya beans
    80g dried weight chick peas

    The skimmed milk allowance should be 340mls (misprint in book)

    Plus

    Vegetable options


    3 tablespoons in total of any of the following

    Green salad leaves such as rocket, lambs lettuce, watercress, radicchio, little gem or romaine lettuces
    Celery, cucumber or red radishes
    Courgettes, marrow, Brussels sprouts, kale, turnip tops (the green leafy part not the actual turnip) broccoli, cauliflower or any cabbage including pickled)
    Mushrooms
     
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    Here you go heres how surfhoney expalins the process


    What happens when you start a diet like CD is this:

    In the first week a lot of what you Lise is water and glycogen weight. In some people glycogen stores can weigh up to 4lbs!!!

    The second third and sometimes fourth weeks your body is adjusting to the new lower calories. It works to it's own times scale and has no idea you've put it on a diet. The body still functions in a very primitive fashion.

    Because you've put it on a VLCD it automatically assumes that it's starving to death and hangs onto it's fat stores initially, then after a couple of weeks it realizes that it's getting these 500 ish calories on a regular basis and it won't starve to death, this is when your fat reserves get used up.

    By eating things that have lots of carbs in your body will take the easy option always, and burn the carbs for fuel first, before turning to the harder to break down stuff - fat!! Once the carbs are gone on then does it knuckle down and start on the fat.

    I like to think that there's little miners inside, they pick the walls they have to tunnel through. Iif you have high carb high cal food wall they choose to tunnel through is going to be the clay carb glycogen wall, cos they're lazy little monsters. Then once that wall has gone they get bored and make a start on the harder fat wall. Occasionally they go on strike, hoping that they'll get another clay wall to tunnel through.

    I prefer to punish my mini miners by making them work at the fat wall, this keeps me happy lol.

    I hope this helps you understand what's happening to your body without sounding too much like a lecture and I hope you don't think that the miner analogy is too patronizing but it's how it was explained to me.
     
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    Thanks seats not read the one on the whole process yet. I feel well miserable now tho!!! Thought I cld dip out for one meal then get back to it :( !! On the 810 is it 3 sachets? What wld happen if u only had 2? Also what is diff between 810 and ss+ no of sachets and amount of food wise??? Thanks for ur help, desperate to lose 1-2 stone as quick as poss but scared about I get back to eating and going VI but keeping it off. All help is truly appreciated.. also just had first cheat, small bit tuna sub :( must be on a downer x
     
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    Don't do it.

    Climbing back on the wagon is never as easy as you think it's going to be.

    How many times do you want to do Cambridge, hun? Just once - or dozens of times?

    Get the weight off, work up through the steps - and STAY SLIM!! Doesn't that sound good? Much tastier than red pepper and lasagne!
     
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    810 is still 3 shakes and you add the meal in as well. SS+ and 810 you still have the 3 sachets you just have less of the same food on SS+. from memory its 2 tablespoons of veggies instead of 3 but I can't remember the meat weights etc. Again will see if I can find an add in for you. Basically because you are still doing a VLCD (SS+) or LCD (810) you need the 3 shakes to make sure you get all your nutrients, vitamins, minerals, etc etc. Cutting the shakes will not make you lose any quicker - if anything its more likely to make your body hang on to what its got

    Sorry if I made you feel miserable - its really not a dip in and out diet - if you do that its a very expensive way to not get very far . 1 or 2 stone will fall off you if you stick with it - honestly - particularly id you SS it. I lost 2 stone in my first 4 weeks, and had lost 40lbs in 7 weeks - which is about what you have to go?. OK I had a bit (aka lot) more than you to lose but you will still get incredible results - just give it a chance. After all 7 weeks will go in a flash and then you will not only have lost 1 or 2 stone but could be nearly at your goal - by Easter - ready to enjoy the summer.

    I replied to your other thread about the "bite" as well.

    I'm really scared about going back to eating as well - and its not that far away for me. I was terrified when I had to do my AAM (Add a meal ) week at week 12 because I really though that I would just go mad and blow it - I didn't but was scared. I'm due another AAM week next week (week 24) and then its only going to be 7/8 more weeks before I have to start eating again. I don't know how its going to work but my plan is to work up through all the steps - hopefully by sticking to the rules 100% so retraining my eating habits. Well thats my theory - feel free to come and shout at me once I am in that phase to make sure I do. I couldn't bear to have got this far and then ruin it for myself!

    Rather than worrying about eating again just focus on how well you are doing, how great it will feel to be slim and what a fab summer you will have - deal with the worries about re-eacting when you get a bit closer to it ;-)
     
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    SS+ food list - taken from sticky at top


    Hot off the press for SS+

    PROTEIN
    120 g Chicken or turkey (skinless)
    190 g Cod haddock or white fish
    250 g Tofu
    200 g Quorn
    180 g Tinned tuna (in water)
    125 g Prawns
    225 g low fat cottage cheese
    2 medium eggs
    (ALL UNCOOKED WEIGHTS)

    Plus
    TWO (15 ML) tablespoons of any cooked or raw veg from the list
    Asparagus
    Kale
    Broccoli
    Lettuce
    Cabbage (even pickled)
    Marrow
    Mushrooms
    Cauliflower
    Pac choi
    Celeriac
    Red radishes
    Spinach
    Celery
    Turnip tops (leafy part)
    Watercress
    Chinese leafy greens
    Courgettes
    Cucumber
    Fennel
    Green salad leaves

    Or as before
    200ml skimmed milk
    4 cambridge products regardless of height or gender.
     
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    the lovely ladies are right hun , if you are not going to be 100% then SS really isnt going to work for you . Lasagne is just a big pile of carbs and most ( if not all ) of the weight you have worked to get off will pop back on ! I know its tough but if you need to eat then I think you would be better doing something like SW , as CD will not work for you .

    The keeping it off is hard and I have just moved up to 1000 plan as only have 13 lb to go .. and its hard , but if you follow all the steps 100% then you will leanr how to live healthily

    Good luck xxx
     
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    Ud b mad to eat
     
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    Hi guys I really appreciate ur imput and have been 100% till my small bite of butty before! I think I just got carried away wi the thought of my fave meal etc plus its seven days so it must be "seven day itch"!! I am well aware of hue to eat healthy etc and have just lost 37lb wi ww but I have a severely disabled daughter who is in hospital a lot and two weeksago I was in wi her and just rent wild on diary milk....don't ask!!! So I got to a point were I couldn't separate myself from food AT ALL :( that's why I chose cd. I do want to lose weight and as fast as possible and will stick to ss. If I get desp will do ss+ . Question tho- when (not if!!!) I reach goal and u move thru steps, how long do u spend on each step?? Thanks for all ur support guys, I easties wavering but only a little, I'd just talked myself into it bein ok to have one meal then a big poop and it'd all be fine!!! Thanks x
     
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    hi , everyone moves up the steps differently , your CDC will have her own ideas and will discuss with you how to do it , you ave to move up to the 810 plan when your BMI gets to 25 , then depending what you want and how you are doing you can stay on 810 till goal then move up the steps a week or 2 at a time , or you can start moving up earlier as you still loose on the lower steps ,..... I have 13 lb to go and have just moved from 810 to 1000 as I want to start exercising and also my CDC finds that starting at this stage helps boost your metabolism back up ready for maintaining .
     
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