Hi Mandy and Ruthieno , 810 plan , how does taht feel for you Mandy ? do you find thats better , abit more food , felt hungry again from 4 , but never went down that road , they have W8 setting up near me , just 2 mins walk , its same thing as CD really but 4 shakes its 49 a week plus meetings . I'm back with CD now , really am hoping to drop 3 stone and a few pounds . Ruthieno , yes good idea leaving your purse at home , now no shop lifting ok lol