Swapping diets - LL to Atkins

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  1. chunkychicken

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    Hi everyone

    Please can someone tell me if you can effectively swap from LL over to Atkins without damaging weight already lost in abstinence? Do you swap over gradually or just go for it and start afresh with a full atkins type menu?

    I have used the Atkins programme very succesfully in the past - but I got lazy and very rarely ate my veg allowance (just lived on meat and cheese/mayo) and soon started to feel rough and came off it. I would like to lose 1 1/2 to 2 stone so would be starting off with induction and remaining in induction longer than the initial 2 weeks.

    Any help or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated.

    Many thanks
    Laura
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  3. Dancing

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    a quick reply as I have to get ready to go out. In terms of damaging weight already lost on LL - you won't put on weight when you change to Atkins. Your body may not know what to do with the change of food for the first week and so you may have a lower weight loss, sts, or put on a little water but definitely no fat.

    How you change over is up to you. You could have a couple of packs - take account of carbs and add some protein for a few days or you could just switch entirely in one day.

    You just have to understand - for your own state of mind - that any supposedly disappointing change in the scales you MIGHT see would be entirely down to water, not fat.

    Why do you want to leave LL now?
     
  4. Shazpaz

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    I think I must be stalking Dancing....I seem to be replying after her on all the threads LOL. Again her reply was spot on. I switched from CD to Atkins and didn't gain a lb....I lost a couple then went on to lose a few more. I've been maintaining for a while now, but have decided to give SSing another go to shift a dress size. I love Atkins...it does work 100%, but I don't want to have to 'think' about what I eat. I love the fact that the choice is taken away when ssing.

    Good luck with the switch and let us know how you get on.xx
     
  5. chunkychicken

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    Hi and thank you for the replies

    Dancing - I have decided to give Atkins a go as I am finding returning to abstinence very, very difficult. It is making me miserable and a pain to live with !! (my poor OH!!!)

    I think the main reason is though that I have managed to succesfully lose weight - and I know that I am great at gaining weight ... but I am still looking for a WOE that will work for me in the long run. When I say "work for me" I mean a programme that I can lose and maintain weight with so I can leave the binge and fast rollercoaster behind for good. I find that being able to jump back on abstinence at any time is not teaching me how to maintain my weightloss and is also allowing crooked thinking to have free reign.. I think we have all done it - slipped up a bit with eating and then thought "well if I am going to have to go back on packs then I will eat everything in sight in preparation" - then I will go on to put on another 1/2 stone or more before I even start abstinence! Its so silly - but knowing that crutch is there is causing some seriously unhealthy ways of thinking and behaving. So I need to find a way to manage my weight that doesn't cause that way of thinking.

    I hope that makes sense.

    Thanks again
    Laura
     
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    Hi Laura hun,


    Dancing & shaz are brilliant for advice and answers to questions, they certainly have helped me!

    Well personally atkins works for me, last week I tried to ss and lasted for 3 days before I got so hungry I ate some protein, so what I have been doing is a mixture of both, sometimes I have a shake for bkfast and lunch and then an atkins meal in the evening which is perfect for me as this is when I feel hungry the most, and also I can join family in eating. Now this works for me, I have also eaten food all day, it depends whether I want eggs & bacon in the morning, mostly at weekends. I lost 4lbs last week and sneaked on scales this morning and have lost another 1lb, so it is working for me.

    wannabeslim another member here on atkins, lost an amazing 11lbs the first week, it does really work,

    you must drink water like on LL or CD, huh I'm a fine one to talk, I'm the worlds worst for keeping up my fluid, but it is essential to keep glugging.

    Great bunch of people on here, to help out in anway.

    sue xxxxxxxxx
     
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    brilliant Sue! Well, Laura, that should encourage you a little bit - knowing you can have losses like that.

    Yep, totally relate to that "eat everything in site in preparation for returning to abstinance". So you don't think low GI is a way to lose weight and maintain? I kind of know where you are coming from - attracted by the larger losses and the security of ketosis that Atkins can provide (well, I was). I know for me that once I lose the weight I'll try to have Low GI 80% of the time as a means to abstinance (and will have the knowledge that if I fancy a fry up I can do atkins for a couple of days and not worry :)).

    All the best to you. As long as you can cope with the lack of fruit for awhile, Atkins is a good WOE
     
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    Hi Dancing - thanks for the reply.
    Yes I do believe that for the majority of people Low Gi is the way to go. I find I can maintain using this quite comfortably as I don't feel deprived of anything - but if I try to lose weight with Low Gi the losses are so slow that I start to binge. Like you said - I get on well with Ketosis (it is my friend) and certainly as you move up the phases of Atkins your diet becomes more and more "normal" and well balanced - unlike the induction phase when you would kill for an apple LOL. The biggest issue with Atkins is how much it costs me... eeek but then after hopping on and off LL for over a year - I have just come round to the idea that being slim seems to cost me money!!!!

    Hope everyone is doing well with their chosen Programmes - I know a lot of you seem to be doing more of a hybrid SS and Atkins type plan... does anyone know how many net carbs there are in the LL shakes? is it just the total Carbs in the packet or do we only look at the sugars?

    Take care peeps
    Laura
     
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    I just counted 14 g carbs per shake as that was the only info I could get from the website. I'm seeing my CDC today - I'll try to remember to look on a box for more info for you
     
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    Ok, there are 12.8g of carbs from sugar in each 40g CD shake pack. This is the amount of carbs you need to take into account (not the total 14.something grams).

    Hope that helps someone.

    As for the LL packs, again it is the carbs from sugar that you count so about 10.8g per 34g serving.
     
  11. surfsummer

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    Hi Laura- I've never done atkins before but im on the W8 matters program (basically exactly the same as LL) for 2 months and have lost 2.5stone in this time...im now starting to really think that i might like to loose my last chunk of weight a little slower and in a tastier way!! i have been researching atkins and making up foodplans for weeks now and am absolutely obsessed with the idea of starting on it!! My W8 councellor has persueded me to stay on the VLCD program for another 2 weeks at least...but them i'm def gona start atkins. I was reading someone elses blog and they said they put on 7lbs going from LL to atkins in the first week, but i bet its all that heavy meat sitting in your tum!
    Have you switched from LL yet? how are you getting on?
    Gemma XXX
     
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    How will you know you are getting all the vits and minerals you need to stay healthy on Atkins? Eating alot of meat/fat can cause other health issues too. Ch/chicken, are you not a LL councillor???
    When i was on LL, i kept convincing myself that i should just eat and go on Atkins cos i will get the same results!! But i believe that was my internal chatterbox playing havoc with me! It would have been, eat something atkins, then, damn im a failure couldnt succeed with LL, Bugger it, pass me the chocolate cake! And Boom, success down the pan! Am not saying this is the case with you, each to their own but just hope you make a healthy and wise decision
    Good luck
     
  13. Dancing

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    if you read the Atkins books then you will understand how the diet works Jellybabie. I understand your concern. But remember that people who know nothing about LL would think it was unhealthy. But those of us who have educated ourselves about it, know otherwise. Same for Atkins.

    Even if chunkychicken were an LLC - how she chooses to lose weight is entirely up to her and would in know way lessen her ability, knowledge, empathy, etc to as an LLC (don't know if she is though)
     
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    Hi Dancing
    I have read Atkins and Done Atkins, i know it works, just want to ensure its the right thing for her and not just her mind playing tricks on her, thats all. I dont mean to push my opinions on anyone and i apologise if i have offended anyone in anyway.
    Good luck with whatever way you choose to lose weight

    Diane xx
     
  15. chunkychicken

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    Hello everyone

    Hot debate all round isn't it.
    Firstly - Surfsummer - congratulations on losing 2.5stone so quickly you should be very proud of yourself. So far I have stayed off the scales as I am aware that swapping from the calorie restriction of LL to Atkins can "shock" the body a bit and cause you to retain water. Therefore I am giving it a whole week to calm down before I jump on the scales to see what is happening. I have been checking whether I am in ketosis though and I have been the whole time i have been eating. I certainly don't feel like I have put any weight on, in fact I would guess that I have lost a bit - but like I said it is too early to tell officially - I plan to weigh in on Monday and will report back what happens then.
    As far as I am aware, I "should" either stay the same or lose a little bit in the first week as I swap over and then start to lose at the usual rate for atkins after that. That is the theory anyway - so we will see what happens. If I were you I would let me be your guinea pig and stay on W8 as planned and then make an informed decision once all the facts are in...

    Jellybabie - thanks for your input. I can see that you are just concerned for me that I am making an adult informed decision and I take your point that when you are on packs your chatterbox will tell you just about anything if it thinks it will make you eat. However, I have very strong opinions about LL - which I do not wish to air on this forum and taking those into consideration, I am looking for a well rounded solution that works for me (personally - not for everyone) so that I can gain confidence that I can manage my weight long term.
    I believe that Atkins may just be the way forward. While I am on the induction phase (no more than 4 weeks I might add) I am using a full spectrum multivitamin (as advised by the book) to ensure my nutrition is as supported as it would have been on LL. I drink more than the alloted amount of water and I make sure that I eat my full 12 - 15 grams net carbs a day from vegetables and salad. I have done Atkins in the past in a very lazy way and lived on meat and cheese and grease - and although I lost weight I did not feel well doing so. This time around I am doing it by the book and being very careful.
    However, one of the reasons that I am finding my weight maintainence difficult is beautifully illustrated by your original post... "aren't you a LL counsellor?!"
    No actually I am a Locum counsellor, which means that I cover groups when my main counsellor is away and I take RTM groups reasonably regularly. To do this I had 2 days training (fairly intensive but 2 days nonetheless) as opposed to the 2 years a full counsellor has. So yes, I work for LL but that does not make me a saint either. In fact, I have found that listening to people talk about food on a regular basis and hearing about everyone's struggles with maintainence has just made it all the harder for me. It is like someone who cleans for a living - they get home to a filthy house of their own because they have had enough of it by then.
    I am not making excuses for myself here - I hope you understand, just trying to prove a point that I am only human like the rest of you. I know the theory inside and out - but trying to find a way to slot it all into my life is taking more time than I initially hoped. Along the way I have realised that I use packs in a very unhealthy way and that I need to move forward with a WOE that will fit me for life.

    I hope that explains everything clearly enough for you.

    Dancing - thanks so much for looking up the information on the LL foodpacks for me - it was very kind of you. I have so many left over that I will def use them a bit more once I have moved out of induction phase - mainly for convenience as I find Atkin's type breakfasts difficult to plan and make at work (I start work too early in the morning to eat at home before I leave). But a vanilla latte always hits the spot!

    How is everyone today?
    Thanks
    Laura
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  16. MoonBeam

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    Hi Chunkychicken,
    I've come off from Cambridge this week (sole sourcing) and switched over to Atkins (albeit vegetarian atkins).
    I'm on day 3 , and the scales are showing a 3lbs gain, but I'm certain that's the weight of the food I've been eating, plus I'm still suffering from constipation that SS caused :) I think it's a wise idea to wait until the end of the week to weigh, wish I could!

    Feeling so much better, and surprisingly more in control too, as I'm making the right food choices and not just downing shakes!
    Best of luck on your journey :)
     
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    i like a coffee vanilla latte - think that will be my starter today.

    I'm not so bad. Have a busy day again and hoping that enables me to easily SS today. I'm doing Atkins tomorrow though as I'm going to the London mini meet and on top of that I have to work through the night. Atkins will make that easier for me.

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    Hi moonbeam - good luck with your switch over. I am also feeling much more in control around food now I am on Atkins. I think it is a lovely combination to be able to eat and still keep the security blanket of ketosis to curb your appetite.

    While I was in abstinence, I found I couldn't stop thinking about food. Every time I would pass my fridge I would open it and look inside - I didn't eat anything but it just made me feel so sad and isolated. It sounds really melodramatic to say that now - but that is honestly how I felt at the time. Then when I did break the diet I would go quite literally wild in the aisles. I would just grab whatever I could and cram it in - no thought for whether I was full or not, whether I was enjoying it or not - I just shoved it in because at the back of my mind there was always this threat that I would soon be back on packs and not be allowed to eat again.... like I said - it sounds so crazy now that I am in control - but that is what was happening.

    On Atkins, I KNOW that there will be food, and I KNOW that it will be tasty. I KNOW that it will fill me up and I KNOW that I will be full far sooner than I expected to be. It takes all the "where's my next meal coming from" panic away. In fact, I find that I am not even thinking about food until mealtimes - which I have to say - is a big victory for me. I think in a nutshell - I feel sane on Atkins and I always felt FAR from that when I was on foodpacks.
    I know that this says more about me and my issues than it does about the LL programme - but then my issue has always been with having a balanced diet rather than losing weight (I am pretty good at that bit) - staying still weight wise for any length of time has always been my problem - and you can't solve that with foodpacks.
    Anyway - I am waffling at you - but thanks for the well wishes and stay off those scales - it will all come good again soon enough.

    Dancing - I hope your day is not too crazy and that SS'ing goes well. I think Atkins at the mini-meet is def a good plan as you can make Atkins work in most situations without too much stress and just fit in and enjoy the day more. Have a lovely time
    Take care
    Laura
     
  20. Shazpaz

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    I love the Atkins diet. I am ssing at the moment, but have been invited to a engagement meal on Sunday. There is no way I'm going to say no. I'll ss until Sunday evening then have an Atkins meal. I've done it before when SSing and know it works.

    Well done you guys. You all sound in the zone.......good luck with weigh in.
     
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    ChunkyChicken, You waffle away! :)
    I think we're very similar! On Sole source I had a very similar attitude, obsessing about what I couldn't eat, then when I fell of the wagon, Id have the mentality " I've blown it now, might as well eat all that stuff I've obsessed about all week, then start again tomorrow" It just doesn't work for me. Loving this WOE at the moment, can't believe I had cheese and mayo for breakfast!! :)
    Also trying to maintain the water levels, but its hard, as I feel so full all the time!
     
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    good luck laura

    sue xx
     
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