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Hey Bingalingbean &Tangles its been awhile since ive been online how are you both getting on?? I doing good some weeks are harder than others weekends definitely the hardest for me. Down 16lb in total. Had a hen party last week I couldn't get out off but I stayed the same and I ate some food...

Hey babakins just seen you were online havent been on in awhile myself are you still plodding away on the shakes??

Hi everyone just wondering if anyone know were I can get the CWP mag- my consultant does not stock them and I would really like to get them?? Anyone any ideas im based in Ireland. Thanks Ps I've also just been told its called showcase now!

Yep it sure was a test so proud I didnt cave. Let's hope today is easier. :D

I feel the exact same my family got food from the chippy earlier and the smell was driving me insane weekends are always the hardest.

Really that's tough but im sure exciting and will be even better when you are fitting into everything. I can't wait just to walk into River Island and Topshop and just pick up whatever I want. My dream outfit will probably be a nice shift dress fitting me in all the right places showing off my...

Aww thanks kittykat- I guess its just because I have but anything in mouth apart from the bars and shakes. Your right though attaching emotions to food is what I am trying to stop. Well done you sitting looking at people scoffing into cheesecake. Just think of all the beautiful clothes we will...

It sure is makes it all worth while-i am on week four I lost 7lb in my first week and only 1.5 in my second week I was devastated but could defiantly feel it in inches so stuck with it well as before I would of gave up. Week 3 I lost 5 so was very happy with that. For some reason im finding this...

Good job Kittykat that is brilliant -well done. :thumbup::thumbup:

Really that's good I dont hear much from mine but I love to log on here its good for support and inspiration.

When you find one let me know - everyone seems to be having bbqs aswell ive been to two and just had my water but its so hard.

Good luck theotherthinme -you can do it again!

Good for you I started week four one Wednesday got my first stone-ive a long way to go but im staying on SS till August then will go to the next step. Weekends are the hardest for me.

Best of luck-how are you finding the weekends-they are the hardest for me.

Best of luck kittycat looking forward to hearing how you got on.

Hey itsallaboutme how are you getting on?? im starting week 4 and down 1 stone im so happy can really feel in inchs and im so motivated still finding some days really hard but 100% committed to SS its hard with all the bbqs invites but once you feel the inches going its a big incentive. :o

Best of luck Bintie :o Sent from my GT-I9300 using MiniMins.com mobile app

Thank you Newnew and Sophiesoph -at least its Monday again bring on weigh in day on Wednesday. Enjoy your week.:o

Hi all How have you all been doing - I lost 8lb at my weight in last week how did you all do?Plus it was TOM so pretty pleased. I did find this weekend really hard but I made it through.:o I recently went through a breakup and was felling a little emotional I suppose its the withdrawal of...

Hey all hope you are all keeping well- had my weight in last night and was down 7lb plus it was my TOM so very happy. I tried the rice pudding today im so happy I just got one to try it was awful. Hope you are all doing well Cmon week 2 lets be having you!! Sent from my GT-I9300 using...

Hi all thought I jump in also-l also started last Thursday bintie22 :) so far so good but I had the fright of my life when I seen the scales and my consultant worked out my bmi. Newme you should try the bars soups and poridge if your not crazy on shakes but give them a go.I like them.Spammie I...

Hi Everyone Well here I go I started the Cambridge Diet last Thursday I got the shock of my life when I seen the scales and my BMI was worked out I think this is the biggest I have ever been. I have suffered with my weight since my teens and as PCOS sufferer it hasnt been easy I have tried...

Hi Everyone-well here I go I started the Cambridge Diet last Thursday I got the shock of my life when I seen the scales and my BMI was worked out I think this is the biggest I have ever been. I have suffered with my weight since my teens and as PCOS sufferer it hasnt been easy I have tried...

Hey everyone -I am on day 5 I know I shouldn't but I just weighed myself and I am down 9lb I have 5stone to loose heres to the beginning of my CD! Love reading everyones stories so inspirational.Best of luck everyone.

Hey great pictures very inspirational-how long did it take you to loose?

Starting Again Hi everyone, Well I am in the middle of my second week of lipotrim, Lost 10lb the first week so delighted, this is my second time to try and I feel very motivated even tho I do have my bads days. The first i tried LT was 3 years ago, and I managed to loose 3 stone in total but...

Well done Aoife thats amazing keep it up girl your nearly there.

I agree with Muchies, I am only starting week 3 so some people will probably say i have no right to comment on this just yet,but i have been on the diet before two years ago. I think some of the comments were a little harsh wouldnt it be great if we were all perfect and had no slip ups but thats...

Well done slimmer2moro thats brilliant 7lb weight loss, I know how you feel about the diet im just taking each day as it comes, I think thats better that planning and saying to yourself im going to stop on such a date, im finding it much better now im going into my third week only but i dont...

Hi stevo Well done on the lose its such a great feeling, I also just finished my first week. Have you tried the peppermint tea with the choc shake?? Its good:D

Hi Abbey Thats terrible about your news I hope everything works out between you and you Mam.. hope the weekend goes well for ya..at least you can log on here for a lil rant:):family2:

Hey... well congrats on getting the first day over with i know its hard.. I just finished my first week one stone down never to appear again:) I read on here about the peppermint tea mixed with the choc and i wasnt a huge lover of the choc one but OMG it was so much nicer so I just wanna say who...

Hi Nutty, Well done for getting started. Ive just finished my first week and im one stone down already ( i did try lipotrim before managed to loose 3 stone but lets just say i wasnt a good girl) I think you really have to be determined to do this diet and i am for sure.. I also find the hardest...

Hi everyone Hi there everyone, I was on Lipotrim I think its two years ago now,and i didnt manage to keep the three stone off which i lost so im back again. Ive just finished my first week on Lipotrim and managed to drop a stone,really pleased but oh my god its so much harder the 2nd time round...

Hey Im back and raring to go!!! Hi all, Happy new year to everyone!!! Some of you may remember me its been a month since i last logged on...(sounds like a confession :):)) Well Ive just spent the last two hours reading over some of the posts i missed out on and would like to say hi and...

Yea Bea BRING IT ON haha I cant wait, its a great feeling when your trousers are falling down around your bum :D:D I love it!!!

Hey Shaz Yeah shopping was great loved, couldnt believe the size of the Trafford Centre (Shopping Heaven) Got some lovely clothes for my christmas party which is on Friday ( Cant wait Ive had the mixture of Lipotrim/Atkins this which is going well really enjoying my Salads, never thought Id...

Hi Heather Welcome to the club and well done on your first week thats amazing!!! Ive often got that feeling that if I hide eating from others that it will be ok.. but like you said your only fooling yourself!! Anyway I think think is a brill site and has really helped me especially when I...

Hey Rachelle (beautiful name maybe cause its a bit like mine LOL) I just replyed to your other thread in the LT.. Im so confused in what to do over Christmas.. one minute im saying im going to do SLIMFAST (just over Christmas) the next im saying LIPOTRIM/ATKINS..but a few guys have been...

Hey sorry havent been on for a couple of days Ive decided to try go with the Lipotrim/Atkins route and see how I go... just till Jan and I will be 100% Lioptrim again.. my only worry is the alcohol over christmas ??? Thanks again girls for the advise.. xx

Hey Rachelle I havent logged in since the past few days but just want to say im sorry to hear your sad news and my thoughts and prayers are with you.. Im glad to hear you feel a lot better hope your weight in went well... Rachie xxxxx

Hey Hope I hope your feeling much better, you can do hang in there, I find if I want to cheat log on here as much as you can look at the slide show and see how much some people have lost just being on here makes me feel guilty about cheating!! Chin up girl you can do it!! Rachie x

Hey Janine Just noticed you pic its great to put a face to the name, I bouught loads of new clothes at the weekend.. isnt it a great feeling to buy smaller clothes...:D Rachie x

PS: Shaz just noticed you pic.. its great to put a face to the name, you look great and that was before you lost your weight...:D

Hey thanks Shaz and Bea,thanks for the comments... sorry just replying now havent been on the in 5 day and I missed everyone so much its great just to log on and see how everyone is and how everyone is getting on.. Well I was away in Manchester for the weekend had a great time alcohol but I...

Hey Jax Hope you well, im doing good at the min hope your in good form, I had some food for the first time in just over a month it was a chicken Salad and it was beatiful I savoured every bit !!! Havent decided what direction to take over christmas Im thinking of SLIM FAST and then back on...

Im straight on to have a look!! Cheers for that baileysandice!! xx

Excellent well done!!! x:D

Hey Nix Just had a read of the diary thanks for that great info!!!:D Rachie x

Welcome and best of luck...;) Rachie x

Hey I understand what your saying Ive been thinking about it and im so confused... not sure what to do and the guys in the pharmacy are helpless they really havent a clue.. Two of my close friends are both doing slimfast the have been doing it for about a month one has lost 1st and the other...

And you so will be!!! Your a legend!!! xxx

Oh crap I missed that.. was it any good??

Hey jellybeans dont beat yourself up about it... youve manage to loose 3lbs thats great... I was giving out two weeks ago about loosing only 3lb and I was told 3-4lb is REGUALAR AND A HEALTHY WAY TO LOOSE WEIGHT.. Well done again Rachie xx

Nah your not the only one im the same so cold....brrrrrrr:gen125:

Hello there Oh Great One (love the name by the way) Welcome and best of luck at least you know you can do it youve done it once you can do it again.. totally agree with you not wanting to loose to much... not nice seeing a tall 6ft guy and then to skinny... you dont want that look going on...

You guys are doing great drinking all that water im finding it so hard!!

Just missed Sorry!!!I here know if you fancy a chat!!!

Hey YOUR NOT A FAILURE your doing great !!! Some of my friends tried LT and couldnt even do it for a week look how well your doing.. I do know exactly how you feel I cheated there about two weeks and I still managed to loose so dont worry chin up girl.. you will be fine!!! YOUR DOING GREAT...

Heya you still online for a chat???:D

I so agree!!! xx

Ah thats great Shaz thanks for that will have a look at the website and I think one of my friends has a book on it.. just planning on doing it over christmas or slim fast and then back on the Lipotrim new year. Thanks again... whens yours hols??? xx

Hey Jellybeans, hope your doing ok... I had a bad evening the other night so I just called a Friend for a chat on the phone for awhile... I know its hard bit we will get there..:grouphugg: xxx

Good Luck Lucy, dont forget to let us know how you do!!! Rachie x

Advise please Well... got weighted this evening and Im down another 2lb. Im not as disheartened as I was last week as 2lb is 2lb. Im starting refeeding in the morning.(I know some of you are looking at the ticker and asking whats she up to):giggle: Reason being Im heading to Manchester next...

Thats brill Shaz (tell me your secret) x

Hey Elle The pics are amazing!!! xx

Hey Pony Well done on the 6lb thats excellent news Congrats cant wait till I get a nice pair of skinny jeans!!!:) Rachie

Hey... welcome and congrats on your great weight loss and keep up the good work. Log on here as much as you can the support is great. x

Im raging I missed I love Gok as well

Me to thank god!!!:)

Keep up the good work Mandy...I know its hard but we will get through it together!!:)

Hey Jellybeans thats brill keep up the good work!!! Rachie x

You..:D

Thanks Bea... I realise that now I think I was disappointed because I had lost more previous weeks! And also the girl in the pharmacy wasnt that nice about it...but I do realise now I didnt know 3-4lb was a week was normal!!! Thanks again x

Yeah but he is Sexy Mmmm

Hey Missy I totally agree with ya it must be one of those days... I was just making myself a cuppa and was soooo tempted to stuff a choc biscuit in my gob.. but I didnt I remembered how guilty I felt when i cheated at the weekend. Thank god the day is just over hopefully tomorrow wont be...

Thanks for the info Lucy willl be watching out for your posts. Have decided I will defo switch over for Christmas. OMG Katty 5stone thats amazing.. will be looking out to see how you get on.. at least you know you can do it youve done it before:)

Shell:confused:

I love eastenders its my fav...Im loving Scott Maslen AKA Jack Branning cant wait to see loads more of him!!!

Hey Katty... I doing the Lipotrim diet at present but Im going to stop next week as Ive a few weekends away and christmas partys coming up.. so Im thinking of doing the slimfast diet over the Christmas have you any tips??? Rachie x

Hey everyone, it must be a day for it.. I woke up this morning feeling so crap!!! Think its a dose of the flu:sign0137: so I havent even managed to get out of the bed...feel so cold:gen125: and for some reason craving choc havent got a clue why because usually crisps are my downfall!!! Havent...

Not scared to go and get a good bikini wax incase they cant get in properly because of my huuuge thighs! (oo-er):sigh: This thread is brill... there are so many things I agree with... especially the bikini wax..oh and to go into a shop ANY shop and know something will fit...that you like!!!

Woo Woo Woo Woo (Wolf Whistle);) Oh my god Elle you look fantastic, the pics are great. Well done... Love the pic you have in your signature the corset is beautiful!!! Congrats again

Well done lady Thats great news, and isnt it such an amazing feeling!!! Keep up the hard work!! Rachie xxx

Hey Jim, thats brill news well done and keep up the hard work. its great that your g/f is about to support that will give you support at home and then you can always log on here aswell... Best of Luck:D

Hi all I am delighted to see some posts on slim fast I am at present on Lipotrim but Im going to come off it next week so I can switch to Slim fast while over the christmas I would be gratful of any tips or advise any one has... Looking forward to hearing from you all Rachel

Hey Janine Your sorted??? You need to copy the BB code then go to User CP and Edit Signiture and paste in there...

Thanks girlies feeling a lot better today... :D

Ah thanks Rachel (Was thinking the very same thing):)

Yea Bea for sure much cheaper!!!:D

Well done Jamie thats excellent news.. enjoy your trip to Poland!!!:)

Hey!!!! Thank you all so much for you support and lovely comments, feel a lot better today thank god !!! Managed to drink all my water and shakes plus I even went for a hour long walk all by myself ... so feeling a lot more motivated plus I had a few nice comments passed to me today...

Well done debbie and Missy!!!!:wavey: Missy its such a great feeling isnt it!!!!Keep up the good work..

Thats brill... have a great nite:)

Well done Well done Dolphin thats excellent news... and yes you need to stick around so you are there will all the advise for us... congrats again:party0019: Rachie

Hey Rosie Thats brill, well done its such a great feeling isnt. Keep it up Rachie xx

Hey Jax Just reading you messages now... Well I had a crappy weekend I know exactly how you feel.. I was sitting home alone on Friday and all of a sudden I got an urge for food :cry: !!! So what did I do went into the Kitchen and had not one but two packets of crisps (major downfall for me)...

I pay €65 which is about 45 pounds... but I dont care if I have to beg borrow or steal its helping me loose weight....:D Seriously I wouldnt steal dont wont to be getting a bad name for my self:D:D

Hey Sorry for having a moan about my 3lb loss and I hope I didnt upset or annoy anyone!!! I think I was little upset and disgusted with myself because Ive a lot more weight to loose to some of you guys.. but I realise now thats it a loss and Elle just told me on another thread that 3-4lb a...

Hey Bea Yeah Ive heard of curves... so you find them good???

I feel kind bad after moaning about my 3lb loss especially after cheating the weekend... but I know you are all right and Elle thanks I didnt really it was 3-4lbs for a VLCD, and think the girl at the pharmacy made me feel a little bad about myself cause she was like " better look next week "...

Hey ... well I weigh every Thursday evening and dont bother using any other scales except the one at the pharmacy!!! Which I will be dreading this week after my little episod at the weekend!!!

Best of luck Elle...

Hey Rosie Best of luck at your weigh in looking forward to see how you do!!! Keep up the good work!!! And remember everyone is here to give each other support:grouphugg: Rachie

Hi everyone, Well ive a huge confession to make, IM A BIG FAT CHEAT. Im soooo disgusted with myself it all started on friday was feeling a little down, and was home alone watching TV when I just caved I just got a huge urge to eat some food, I know i wasnt even hungry but I just wanted to...

Hi The right curves Welcome best of luck on your new venture!!! You should try log on here as much as you can everyone is really nice and if give great support. Best of luck and let us know how you get on... im not going to mention your little slip up as i cheated myself at the weekend feel...

Hi Jim Welcome aboard!!! Hope your doing well and the past few days have been a lot easier, but just think of how good its going to feel when your told how much you loose and your first weigh in... your should try log on here every day the support is brill and at least you can chat with...

Hey all Well I was weighted tonight and only managed to loose 3lb im raging thought I would have lost more...:(:( I putting it down to the water (Im finding it so hard to drink in this colder weather)plus still havent started any exercise!! How are you all getting on??? Hey Jax hows you...

Hi Shaz Thanks for that info, I think that sounds like the best plan for me, Im much the same as your self (except I not going anywere exotic) Ive a few weekends away planned and some xmas parties away with work.. so it would be difficult to keep going the way I am and I would like to have...

I So Annoyed with ME Well as some of you might know I got weighted tonight and only lost 3lb im so disgusted with myself.. Im putting it down to not drinking as much water, but Im just finding it hard at the minute It makes me feel more cold that I am already:eek:!!! So I guess I have to push...

Hi All Welcome Missy, Well Im the exact same this week me and the water are not loving each other, im trying so hard and I just cant get it down me I dont know whats up :banghead: plus Ive just come back from been weighted and only lost 3lb this im discusted with myself Im putting it down to...

Hey!!! Well I had a crappy day at work was so busy, didnt drink as much water as what I usually drink which annoyed me...also havent got up off my big fat ass all week and I PROMISED myself that I would do some sort of exercise... But have just logged on and had a gud laugh over the comments...

Thats brill shaz well done, No im not thinking of changing just interested in what its about.. just want to be careful over christmas am trying to decide what route to follow while im have a break from lipotrim!!

Hi Janineless I was the same on the first few days, but i think it gets a lot easier.. Its just that your missing food!! Chin up you can do it will get better think of next week when youve lost a few lbs.. I didnt like the soup or choc either so I just drink the strawberry and vanilla, have...

Has anyone tried the GI diet before??

Y thank you Rachel!!

Best of luck ladylipo.... Love the ticker tis the season to be jolly tra-a-la-la-la-la... Cant you see I love christmas:silly: We will all be jolly once we get them lbs shifted!!!

Yeah will do Rachel... Thanks

Well done!!

Welcome girls and best of luck..

Thanks again girls.. Bea, I know Dublin is s great just felt a bit down at the min, most of my friends are in relationships.. so every one was busy, The joys of been a single girl.. feeling a little better today!!!

Thats brill Dolphin well done, you deserve a shopping spree!!

Hi Matt, Congrats on your weight loss so far thats brill, have you been doing much exercise?? Whats the plans for over christmas or will you be happy when you loose 3??? Im going to stay on the diet for another 3 weeks myself then try to be good as much as I can over the christmas and start...

No Rachel shes knows cause she was thinking of doing it herself and we had a good chat about it before I got started!!! Good Luck Janinelee once you get stared you will be impressed with the weight loss(have you much to loose hope you dont mind me asking?? )You should defo try log on here as...

Hey Jax Sorry to hear about you Arthritis and your little slip Mmmm bbq that would have been hard not to eat!! Thats great about the stone keep up the good work let me know how you get on when you go to get weighed in... Best of luck!!

Hey Jax Thanks for you lovely comments, and you will do it.. Its well for you off on a nice hoilday before Christmas..I totally understand about the picking was a little tempted today as I was minding my little neice who is 3 she was trying to feed me crisps.. but I just bother..

Thank you all vey much im chuffed with your comments:flowers:Flowers for you all..:thankyou: Its just so nice to be able to come on here and chat to you all and get all your advise:)

Hey Shelly Yeah Im really looking forward to christmas also I love it, Ive got a quite a big family also so there will loads around Ive got some partys I was invited to also and a weekend in Manchester and Edinburgh just before christmas week, Im going to try best but I wont be totally good...

Many congrats to you and your hubby im delighted for you. :happy096:

You will do it....no probs

Hey Michelle I totally know were you are coming from about socialising with friends it has me pretty quite for me the past few weekends but I am determined. I was really pis*ed off the other day, excuse my language one of my bestest friends knows i am on Lipotrim and have been for the past 3...

Hey Jax Im doing great got weighed tonight and I managed to loose another 9lb im thrilled with myself... so im down just over 2stone.. i feel really good and people and starting to notice now which is making me feel great.. Whoop whoop for the lipotrim cmon join the the club..:grouphugg:

Thats brill Charlotte, Well done you:happy096:

Hey Rachel I know wasnt it mental... just shows if you look around.. If you hit ctrl+alt+4 that should give you a € sign just incase you ever need it...:)

Well done you thats great news..:clap::clap: keep me informed about the new flavours im very interested..

My Weekly weigh In Well everyone Thought Id let you all know I lost another 9lb this week Im so proud of myself that just over two stone in three weeks...:bliss: My next step next week is to try do some exercise I going to try aim going walking for an hour three times a week, even thought...

Hi Michelle, I totally understand what you mean about the taste of the shakes but I think its because your just getting used to the and of course with any sort of food doesnt help have you tried all three flavours, I personely cant stand the choc or the soup so I just dont bother with...I...

Hey Jax I really hope you had loads of little monsters and witches and whatever else they were dressing up as ( i seen some strange ones myself this year) Anyway hope all the choc is gone cause even the not so nice tempts me at times... and yeah still only 3 shakes vanilla, choc, and...

I see, that sure does help that you active while you work, I just sit on my ass all day at work , going to have to try do something... Thanks for letting me know!!

I also agree with everyone, get the professional advise from Elle, but I did want to share a story with you about a girl from work, who got married this year she was ON and OFF the for a few months but she also bought her dress from the US and saved €2000, she was able to drop to a size 10 and...

Yum yum my mouth is watering thinking of that roast... I miss my Mums roast dinners:sigh:

Oh my god !!! That pud sounds amazing... :gimi:

Thats great Elle Im determined myself this time im not going to fail again!!! And like you said if it only takes 5 mins a day to record your cals it really is a tiny price to pay in order to stay at your goal!! At its so true what you say about the size of clothes in different shops dont...

Heya Jamie, Many congrats on you big loss thats great, im sure you be good especially if you buy some new clothes... what a good feeling that must be!!! Im just wondering did you do much exercise???

Hey Shaza That wasnt a bit preachy, It sure is the real meaning of Christmas...Not Food!!! :D

You are amazing such an inspiration... had you always been a big girl , hope you dont mind me asking Elle??

I really MITT... Hi Everyone Hope you are all well, I joined this site last thursday and I love it it really is amazing. I am in the middle of Week 3 at the min of Lipotrim and so far so good, the first week was the worst for sure, Im not saying im finding it easy but I REALLY DO MEAN IT...

Mmm Chinese food Fried Rice Chicken balls Chop Sui Prawns in batter...

Hi everyone thank you so much for your advise it is one thing that i have been worried about, after all I am Irish and I do like my few drinks, so I will be careful but wont be stopping completely :D!!! Will defo try to take up some extra exercise!!! Wish I would also be near a pool in the Dom...

Would that also mean no alcohol???:(

Hi Everyone Im just wondering what you all have planned for christmas regarding your dieting??? Ive got a weekend away at the end of Nov and then my christmas party from work, so i was planning on that been my refeeding week, then do slimfast or WW till the end of Dec and start Lipotrim in...

Ah thanks girlies for a all your nice comments... Your all an inspiration:bliss::bliss:

:giggle::giggle::giggle:Will do !!!

Hi Shazpaz Yea im going to try log on every day, the support is fantastic... it really is what i need..Some of my close friends havent taken much of an interest, and im single so ive no guy to support me.. which is why im so glad i came across this site (Thank god its a bank holiday here today...

Skinny Jeans :happy036::happy036::happy036: Well done Bea that is amazing about your SIZE 10 jeans...

Hi Everyone I love this site:giggle::giggle:!!!! Im so addicted, I love reading all your stories and looking at your pics... Im so glad I found this site, Elle just had a look at your pic your look amazing... I cant wait till I start looking that good... also had a look at your corsets they...

Essences Hi Girlies Im in my third week on lipotrim, have just had a read of all your posts and im wondering if I you guys use the essences some of you were speaking about that peppermint sound nice with the choc??? Just also wanna add have read some of your stories and you really are all...

Hot Water Hi Elle Have started trying to alternate between both and cold and hot Thanks:D

Hi Everyone Just found this site last night and I love it, it is just what I was looking for some of the stories are amazing and it was just what I was looking for. I am just starting my 3rd week My starting weight was 18st 5 (I felt sick never liked to know what i weigh) Week 1 - 1St 1lb...

Hey Ravenbeauty Thank you so much for your kind comments, yeah i am aiming to drink 4 ltrs a day, Its just hard with the cold weather I think!!! Im so excited about this site I think it will give me the motivation that i need... Cheers again!!

My Story Hi Everyone First of all I wanna say what an inspiration you all are :), some of your stories have been amazing. Im starting my third week on lipotrim and I have been searching for some interesting stories and support, thank god I found you this site is brill. :):):) Anyway I lost...