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Get your head right and the rest will follow! You have done so well to lose what you have already. You can do it.

no it was me. sorry

Fat holds estrogen and breaking down fat releases it into the blood, a steady but fast weight loss creates a steady increase in hormones and can help to regulate them. Many people have found they have become fertile after just a month on the diet because of this. In some people (not me...

You can freeze the shakes- some people do it. You are supposed to consume in 10minutes is to reduce the break down of the minerals and vitamins, but if you take a vitamin pill it'll be fine. Also, if you do three packs and a protein meal you might find it easier- have you shake and bar lunch...

Water is best, but any fluid will do. Water will give better losses as your body doesn't have to process it before using it. Also caffeine can cause dehydration and other issues and reduce ketosis in some people.

yeah swede mash is great, I make a stew with allowed veg, chicken boullion and chicken and have it with swede mash, even when I'm not on the diet!

Sounds like you are back in 'the zone'. Well done! You will be posting pics of your Ibiza bikini body in no time!

for a few hours after a meal will usually give a negative effect, as you will be burning any carbs you have consumed. Most people will be in ketosis after waking up and before breakfast if you ate your last meal before 8pm so that is a 'false positive' best time would be just before you eat your...

No- licorice is a root, cinnamon is bark, ginger is a root but cloves are dried flower and we can't have flowers- I'm sure such small quantities will make little difference and cloves are pretty potent in small quantities!

I am of a similar mind, and don't drink coke zero etc etc when I am on this diet. I consider what I was eating which got me overweight, and honestly, I'd like to say it's just quantity and on the whole it is, but even when I look at the ingredients on salad dressing, squash, even baked beans...

Hey, just wondered if anyone else was trying or has tried this. I have read the book and think it sounds like a maintainable plan, longer term as I have real trouble maintaining any kind of healthy lifestyle change, and thus end up yo yo-ing. I have around a stone to lose (I'd like to lose more...

Well done! If you stick to it, it really works! Sorry to hear what a rotten time you have had of it. I'm sure you smear and swabs will come back fine- and I have had my fair share of gyne issues! Good luck and keep it up.

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No flower or fruit teas but herbal tea is fine- camomile is a flower though, so not ok. Fennel, peppermint, nettle, ginger are all ok, just make sure they don't have citric acid in- some have it added in as a stabiliser or flavour enhancer, including twinnings.

Could be good for a rumble in the jungle!

That is fantastic! Please do keep up dating us. It is great to see you doing so well.

I do! My oh made them for me, works well.

Yeah it is all fine- but watch the soy sauce it is actually really high in carbs (for such a watery sauce!)- I always measure it out coz you never know how much you are using if you splash it in.

could you make a cake you don't like? Or trust yourself to have a tiny slice and no more? What ever you do send and left over cake (if there is any) away with the birthday girl/ boy! And good luck.

It doesn't effect losses, but the damage it does to your insides is incredible- you can dissolve metal in it (leave a penny in it for a week)

Yeah, it is because of the citric acid in them, which affects some people but not others, it is also the reaosn we can't have diet coke. Diet coke stops ketosis for me, but lemon juice on my baked fish doesn't!

you can also add chilli powder and herbs!

I use an oxo cube to make soup (from my veg allowance), and it seems fine.

I also have an under active thyroid and I am being tested for PCOS, slim an sav is the only diet that works for me. I'm back on it- came off it after nearing my goal and though I was eating ok I ended up putting weight back on- think I need a medication review!

I know we aren't supposed to have citric acid, and I know why (some people's bodys rtreat it like sugar etc etc, brings you out of ketosis etc etc) but what people might be interested to know is that whilst citric acid as an additive (labeled as citric acid on the label in things such as diet...

I have been following your weigh ins and diaries religeously, you are such an inspiration. I think you have made exactly the right choice for you, and I wish you all the best for this next leg of your journey. Keep popping in to say hi and lt us know how you are doing, and of course offering...

One last good run and you'll be done though. Can't wait to see you final photos in 6 weeks time- I hope you are booking a summer holiday to show off that bikini bod!

Oh wow, you are looking amazing! The break has probably done you good and most of that weight will be glucose and water. I am starting again tomorrow- I have put 10lbs back on, simply because I slipped back in to my old ways, so want to nip it in the bud! I will make a better plan for the end!

wow! that is fantastic, well done.

Yeah fruit and root veggies are good- carrots, parsnips, sweet potato, bananas, apples, butternut squash.

Your weight loss so far is amazing- it is more than the total I lost in 8 weeks! Daily weighing isn't the greatest idea, it can be really disheartening, but it is so tempting! One girl has even hidden her scales and isn't weighing for 40days! On this diet most of us find we won't lose anything...

I never use the oven either, except for swede chips. I dry fry fish, chicken breast, steak, omelet etc and then eat it with steamed, microwaved or boiled veg. I make soup, stew (chicken, bouillion, swede, mushrooms and cabbage usually) stir fry veg in chilli flakes and soy sauce. Hope this helps.

I'm good thanks, maintaining at 10st 4ish. Given up for a while- I was just so unhappy (unhappy with how I looked, unhappy with the diet, unhappy with not being able to eat etc etc) so oh suggested I stop for a while, exercise and come back to it when I am in a better frame of mind if I still...

Sounds tasty!

As above. You may have to do your order with out it :(

I'm giving up. I can't do it anymore. I'm not in my size 10s but I am a healthy weight and can fit in most of my clothes. I don't feel hideous naked. Would I like to lose another stone? Sure I would. I had a chat with the OH and basically said that I'm miserable all the time- miserable when I...

Last night I had peas and green beans in a herby butter - 90cals and 5g carbs but oh so good and kept with in my limit according to MFP. Never thought I'd get so much joy from veg!

Yeah it's fine. You need to be careful about cooked chicken that is flavoured, but plain cooked chicken is fine. And I sometimes have a mix of one egg, a bit of chicken and a bit of cottage cheese, as long as it adds up to 100g it is fine.

Flippin' hecK! Sounds horrible. Don't worry about it- you know how well you are doing, keep it up.

That is great. One I would add is: Measure, measure, measure- inches count as much, if not more than the scales.

Hey, my aunty works for virgin and my second cousin for BA as cabin crew- both are now managers. They started off a good a few years ago, but both say that a great smile, a quiet but friendly disposition and a second language are what they look for in their cabin crew. Customer service...

I have nail ridges too. I have had them ages- they are a result of a thyroid problem for me but the medication hasn't made them go away. My practice nurse says that verticle ridges (nail bed to tip) are rarely caused by mal nutrition but horizontal ridges are.

I live in Prestwich, but I'm on my uni placement in Bolton three days a week, small world!

Well done for getting through the first week. Constipation and diarrhea are both normal and most of us flit between the two- it settle down after a few weeks. I also got very windy. I have restarted again after a 6week break (where I maintained!) and I am windy and unpredictable loo wise again...

Wow! that is fantastic.

Wow, you look amazing, so much younger too.

Sorry, that sounded really patronising, I didn't mean it that way! Where in Manchester are you?

Poor you! You are so close though! And you are right to be wary of internet boy, he could be telling you anything- wait until he ditches her, you are worth more than that!

That's rubbish hun, I love them too and wanted to do another order. I'm quickly running out of shakes I like and will have to force down the ones I don't (I'm the opposite of you and have left my raspberry and cookies and cream ones until last!)

Off the website you mean? I found it here: VLCD Macaroni Cheese - Slim & Save Ltd

What's the carb content? Beans are fairly carby as veggies go.

I only have another 8 or so lbs to lose-I have a few pairs of jeans that when I fit in to I know I am thin (from photo's, my head never believes it!) how are you getting on?

Can't wait to see pics, the dress is awesome. I'm really feeling a night out tonight, but my friends are being rubbish. You have inspired me to go shopping tomorrow!

Sounds good. I'm enjoying JUDD, though need to calm down on my up days- I haven't lost anything yet, though I haven't gained either. Today is he first day I have thought about cheating. When I get to goal I plan to maintain using the 5:2 diet. How much more are you hoping to lose?

Yeah, I hate that 'eat normally'. If I ate 'normally' to begin with I wouldn't have got myself into all that mess in the first place! My understanding (mainly from a friend doing it) she has two days of less than 500 cals (she eats very little, if at all those days, just lots of tea) and ets...

No, you don't need to eat all of them, just make sure you eat enough. I must admit that I don't find it hard to eat that much, I found that I was under-estimating my portions (a portion of veg is two table spoons, a portion of meat is the equivalent of a large match box/ the size of your hand...

That's great to know, thanks

I'm Jen. I lost 23lbs on Slim and Save before Christmas and have gained 4lbs back which I haven't lost since Christmas, just can't find my VLCD mojo so decided to try JUDDD. I'm a slow loser, averaging about 2lbs a week on Slim and Save. Today is my second DD and so far I am enjoying it, I...

This is going to sound really weird, I have been on the Slim and Save forum for about 5months and was really scared coming on to a new forum! I have lost 1st 5lbs on Slim and Save but since Christmas I just haven't got my mojo back though have maintained my loses (on the whole). I always...

I always weigh raw as I find it easier, but swede is always much lighter once cooked.

As Tanya12 said, get your thyroid checked- I gained a stupid amount of weight really quickly and couldn't shift it, no matter what I tried. They found I had an under active thyroid, I am now on tablets daily for the rest of my life, weight didn't start falling off me but when following sns I...

Wow! That is fantastic.

I've been messing around again,just can't find the head space. Think it is a combination of January blues (I get serious S.A.D) and the fact I can fit (just and it's quickly not being the case) into a pair of favourite jeans. I have decided to try JUDDing, I know I should be posting this on JUDD...

You look incredible, such a lovely hour-glass shape. Good luck for weigh-in

I often have a sunday roast with the family just miss the spuds and yorkies- I love it. Haven't tried swede roasties though- will try!

If the inches are coming off then the diet is working. Bodies are strange things, it could be hormonal and you are holding water which is why the scales aren't moving. I lost 7lbs week one, 3lbs week 2 then 2lbs a week after that and I have lost inches from my hips, enough to fit into jeans two...

Sorry to hear you are feeling rubbish. Have you tried ibuprofen? I know it isn't a permanent solution, but maybe knocking it on the head will do the trick? Hopefully you won't have to ditch the diet

Like the others have said, on the whole it is very good but like all such things it is open to errors due to how info is inputted on it. I use it a lot and love it, but you need to make sure you search for the 'correct' entry as there can often be lots and some come with variations, such as a...

You are doing so well hun, I really envious, wish I hadn't spent all this time messing about!

Great news!

The bar limit is partially due to the nutritional values generally being less than the packs as well as a higher concentration of certain sugars (like white bread vs brown bread).

Sex. (Me and the OH had sex about 10 times last year. I felt so horrid and unsexy needless to say we are making up for it now!

Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience, it must have been scarey. Take the doctors advice and stop. Try SW or WW or a low calorie diet. VLCDs aren't for everyone. Nothing is worth risking your health for.

Yeah it is high in carbs, but unless you eat 4 of them a day it isn't going to hurt you. As long as you stick to the plan it works, don't worry too much about the carbs.

Awww, the poor little d***head! Men are such idiots.

nd get straight back on it, but this time, one meal (even an allowed meal) and I am straight off the wagon. When I re start I won't be having a morsel that doesn't come from a pack.

I dropped 1 in 23lbs I was a 14 (creeping into 16s) and now I can get in most 12s and very big 10s!

Ha Ha! When you put it like that it doesn't sound so good!

Yeah, I leave the last 50ml! Can't stomach the saltiness.

You can have Mackerel, I asked ages ago.

woo hoo, in to the 14s! and down to the 12s! keep it up.

-6lbs so not bad. Though Sunday was a wash out as was today- celebrating oh getting a new job. Back on it tomorrow :( Really need to stop messing around, I'm only a few weeks from goal.

7lbs the first time, 6lbs on restart.

first ingredients in almost all the shakes is: Protein blend (skim milk, calcium caseinate) or: milk proteins, caramel powder (milk cream, small milk, sugar, butter).

Most of the protein comes from dairy sources, it is why it is suitable for veggies but not vegans. I can be intolerant to dairy, only in large quantities but it can be nasty!

You should try and eat a range of the veg on the list, other veg is ok, except for he carby ones (carrots, parsnips etc). Beetroot contains some citric acid, as do onions and garlic but in small quantities they are fine. I even occasionally have a tablespoon of coleslaw!

That could be something else, such as dairy intolerance. There is a HUGE amount of diary protein in these packs so could be that. If it doesn't settle down I would go to the GP.

the new bars sound lush but I'm hoping I won't need another order!

Careful with balsamic, it is quite high in carbs.

Try measuring. If yo are working out as well you could be building muscle and losing fat, as fat is denser than muscle your weight won't change but your waist will!

I remember scratching my neck an hitting my collar bone, I don't remember when I got so big it vanished but it was a real surprise when I came across it again, kind of all of a sudden!

It happens. If you got straight back on plan then you will be in ketosis by tomorrow morning at the latest.

It's normal and usually settles by the end of week two. It has several causes: mineral increase, reduction in 'bulking agents' (e.g.carby fibre), if you quickly increase your water intake etc etc. I haven't had any issue with constipation, but put simply less in = less out.

Well, I am well and truly back on it :) Having said that, we are going for lunch with the inlaws tomorrow, might try and stay protein only but we will see. I started again Monday, even though the OH (who is doing it with me) wanted us to start Tue because we got a snow day on Monday! I have got...

Ate this tonight and last night, does not feel like diet food! Stew 100g chicken breast 50g cabbage 50g leeks 25g mushrooms tarragon pepper 1l boullion garlic chop, fry, boil until cooked. Mash 75g swede splash milk Boil, mash with the meat. Really filling and really tasty.

Couldn't find the article you were referring to, but found this one: Body Mass Index: The Baloney Mass Index: Official tests said these people were worryingly overweight, but more detailed checks showed VERY different results | Mail Online and I think I like it more!

Make a dressing from of soy sauce and chilli?

or you could take soup in a flask?

Chicken salad? salmon and salad?take a bar, have a shake before you go and a shake when you go home?

I could have written that myself. I have gained 10lb, 2 this week, which shows what a slow loser I am- I have been eating pretty healthily! I am back on it today though. Together we can do this! Onwards and downwards.

You need to have all 4 on SnS, cambridge packs are higher calorie/ protein than SnS so it works out the same. If you don't eat enough protein then you will risk muscle wastage, sending your body into starvation mode faster and actually slowing your losses.

Really sorry for your loss. Getting in to a healthy BMI will make you feel good and the diet is great. I look forward to hearing about your progress.

ooh, is that like a pole dancing class? I always fancied trying it, but you have to wear hot pants, which I didn't fancy! Good for you, it is meant to be great for your abs.

Why not try one of the starter packs? That's 28 packs for £30 inc delivery. That way you get to taste a good range and the leaflet in it explains everything, giving you chance to try it out?

Glad it has gone well. I also thought 200g was loads, but I was a veg dodger pre sns! Keep it up.

Do you have any packs, or are you just starting? The delivery guys are pretty good so I wouldn't worry. Either way try keeping to a low carb diet until the packs arrive- if nothing else it will make getting in to ketosis easier.

As weasey said you need the nutrients (vitamins, minerals, protein AND fat) that is the 4 packs provide. Also your body will enter starvation mode quicker if you are not taking in the calories provided in 4 packs, meaning your weight loss slows.

It is what ever works for you. It might knock you out of ketosis but it would only be for a while- officially you are out of ketosis as soon as you eat anyway, you must use the energy available in the food you have just consumed before you can be back in ketosis anyway.

I have stir fried leeks, broccoli, pepper and spinach with soy sauce and a bit of chilli.

I just spent a small fortune on ebay buying size 10s. Must get back on track!

At the end of the day you have got to do what is right for you. I drink Ribena plus and it hasn't impacted on my losses, just like diet coke doesn't impact on some peoples losses.

I got a free sample of the fibre thingy- not that I'm not grateful for a free sample but I really don't need THAT!

I have a pint a day of the red ones and it has made zero difference to my weight loss and a big difference to my water intake! I make it up weaker than it says and don't over do it.

you can buy a cheapo one for about £4 in tesco and asda. I definitely like my shakes made with it (especially when using ice just make sure you have a deep jug!). I have a few hot and make them up with the hand blender and boiling water but at work I nuke them after making them i the shaker.

You can definitely have it, but don't go silly as it does have carbs in (though about the same as the slim and save water flavourings!) The orange one (apricot I think?) has citric acid in but the red coloured ones don't. And it must be Ribena plus, not ribena.

Glad it's not just me! I thought I was going through a 'sensitive nose' phase that I sometimes get.

Yeah noisy tummy, gassy and stinky. In the bath I could make my own stinky hot tub! It settles down after a while (into week three I think) I think it is to do with the lack of bulk in your system giving it a good old clear out and all the nutrients in the packs. Could be wrong though.

Ribena plus- the apple and raspberry or blackcurrent one. Not the orange coloured one.

You are doing great. Keep it up 100% and it'll be done by april!

I agree with Noodles. Some people take ages to get back in to ketosis and others don't, I'm one of the lucky ones I would be back in ketosis the morning after a small blip (like a chippy) and with in one day after a big blip. I also find I am generally less hungry anyway. Keep up your good work!

Hey you, how you doing?

Yes it is week 13. Some people skip it if they are a week or two off goal, but it is not recommended for much longer due to your body going into starvation mode.

I saw the thread title and immediately thought 'yuk'. I have the chocolate, hazelnut and cafe latte ones hot but wouldn't consider the others. Might do now though!

6lbs in a week is great. About 4lbs is water and glucose that was stored in your liver - you will put this on again if you eat carbs (which is why a day of cheating usually means a stay the same or a gain). The other 2lbs is fat. If you have been having 1.5l of water a day, you need to drink...

Indeed that is what you do, half an hour or so at 180 usually does it for me. They are kind of a sweet savoury, like roast parsnips.

I have exactly them same issue. My other half hates that we are not eating together (I secretly suspect he hates I'm not cooking for him) so we came to a compromise- I do packs for breakfast, lunch and either a bar or hot shake in the evening and have a protein meal for tea. I make the same for...

I have found swede chips and LOVE them. I was a bit of a veg-a-phobe but enjoy a stir fry of green pepper, broccoli, cabbage and bamboo shoots, usually with soy sauce and fish. I also turn spinach into soup. But usually stick with broccoli and leeks!

you can have peppermint tea so don't see why not, they are herbs rather than flowers.

Caved yesterday. Woke feeling awful, spent the night coughing so chugged down some cough medicine then read the pack- 1.7g sugar per 5ml! So had a slice of toast with peanut butter on. Really mad because we had friends round last night and I had planned to make us all oven baked fish with swede...

wow, you are doing rally well with the diet and the no weighing! I got my shaker from sports direct for 99p! Going to buy a second one for the OH. I have been off the diet today and yesterday. Need to get my ass into gear- day one again tomorrow then through until the 19th.

Thanks. Today (day 9?) has gone ok so far, but I have forgotten whether I ate my bar. It isn't in my uni bag, which it was so the only conclusion is that I have...but I don't remember eating it. Hmmm. Gonna skip it and just be hungry :( Now to get on with my essay.

I'm on the pill cerazette the side effect they warn you about is that you don't get a bleed....they call it a side effect? It's fan-bloody-tastic!

Keep it up everyone, we are doing really well. 4lbs for me, well chuffed. Caroline - 14lbs. (0lbs down, 14lbs to go) Simmy1978 - 14lbs. (0lbs down, 14lbs to go) Noodles1609 - 14lb (8lb down, 6lb to go) Princesssappho - 14lb (5lb down, 9lb to go) LastEverDiet - 18lbs (0lbs down, 18lbs to go)...

4lb loss! Bloody amazing considering my few cheats this week, was honestly expecting a STS. Went on my shadowing day for uni today and got questioned on my 'strange' lunch and think I got a few people interested!

From the tiny ant!

I've just youtubed a whole load of them! When I needed a neighbour, the ink is black the page is white. and there was one about the great big whale or something, but I can't find that

I loved that one. Don't remember water of life thogh

Eurgh. At home, sick. Got a horrid cold, sinuses playing up and feel woozy and faint when I stand up and been sick (a cold is no reason to stay off work in my opinion, but not being able to drive is not good!) Not using it as an excuse to break sns though. WI tomorrow. Can't wait to start seeing...

you are doing great, it's great that people are noticing but even better that you are continuing to see the changes.

Day 6 done. Strawberry shake, yoghurt bar, Prawns fried in garlic and herb, stirfried mushrooms and leek and broccoli. So windy now. Feel bloated and yukky. Burping and farting like a trooper! Having read through my last diary, this is normal for me! I will get through it. Feel so bad (sicky...

No veg list. I would email SnS and ask, then start one! I know one girl has mange tout.

This is the link to the protein list, knew I had it somewhere! http://www.minimins.com/slim-save/263390-protein-options.html

Day 5 is nearly over, been 100% today :) Yesterday I went for the meal for my friends birthday and just bit the bullet and had a burger a few of my friends chips. Back on it today though and not seeing it as a reason to give up completely. Decided that as this is my last leg and I have just a...

If any one needs more incentive to drink more water I can absolutely say that it's impact on my cellulite has been MASSIVE! My boyfriend has said how even though I have weighed less whilst we have been going out I have never had a smoother bum of thighs- I can even see it myself, it a noticeable...

A tip for all newbies re drinking water is to make your shakes up with more water than the instructions say, also you can add ribena plus blackcurrant and the raspberry and apple flavour ones (though not lots). Also I find drinking a glass prior to each pack helps me get it down. After a while...

They do suggest doing that for very active days- I have found I need to on days where I cycle a lot, otherwise I feel like I'm going to pass out. From a nutritional point of view they suggest 4 packs plus protein.

Yes your doing it corrcetly! You can also have the milk. I regularly swap between the 3 and 4 pack options, depending on how busy I am, who I am eating with and my mood!

Remember, in terms of your eating, you only have to answer to yourself. Don’t let comments or predicted reactions from others influence how you eat. You’re working on healthy eating because it’s an important goal for YOU. You don’t need to explain or answer to anybody else about this! Quite...

Really? Make sure you drink plenty- it could be that the mineral content of the diet is upsetting your tum a bit, should settle down soon.

Mr too, and it's good for you!

And tuna. Hadn't thought of making it into a pasta bake, sounds good. I don't know where the post is but there is one. Off the top of my head: 100g of: Chicken, White fish (cod, haddock, sea bass etc) Salmon Mackerel Tuna Prawns (Pretty much any fish) Cottage cheese Tofu- depending on the...

Yeah, 100g spinach, chicken bouillon (the type we are allowed to have) half a teaspoon of cornflour (2.5g of carbs), salt, pepper and nut meg. Boil for half an hour then blitz. Really tasty.

So far today I have had a chocolate shake and some spinach soup. Yum!

It isn't on the allowed list, but then again, it's a 'total meal replacement diet' so the allowed list is very small! Be cautious about using carb free/ low sugar replacements for things though, you still need to watch the calories and part of the diet is about portion control, not turning to...

Yep, it's fine :)

What course you doing? Luckily mine is only 2500 words and I don't have kids, but do work full time! Having said that my friend is understanding about the diet thing she has only gone and picked a bloody burger joint to eat at! Don't know what to do now.

I try and leave it as late as possibly for 'breakfast' but then have the others at vaguely sensible meal times. Once I am in ketosis I'm fine and just have them when I can stomach them!

Day 3 done! Didn't have the extra pack. Getting hungry now so off to bed. I need tomorrow to be ok- out for a friends birthday (supportive, diet friendly people) so shouldn't be an issue but it is usually my worst pre-ketosis day and I have an essay to write! Ah well. Night all.

I know that feeling, but don't cave, be strong. If you are going to cave then cook the pizza, cut off a small slice, pop it on a plate with a heap of salad or allowed veg and either give the rest to someone else in the house or douse it liberally with water and throw it in the bin then eat the...

Aww, poor little puss.

Sounds really nice- I often have a bath when I am cold, it is sometimes the only way I can warm up.

It differs between people, it depends on how much glycogen you store and how fast you use it up and what your body classes as 'empty' so it is possible, it is also possible that your head is in the right place and you just don't seem hungry. Either way, it's got to be good!

I got that first time round, turned out to be wind. LOTS of wind!

And as a positive I had an interview for my uni placement and I got it, seem like a really nice team to, should be good.

I remember why I love this diet now. Had a bar for late breakfast, hazelnut shake for lunch at 4 then had 150g (uncooked weight) of sea bass with 100g of spinach, 50g of rather many mushroom, a tiny bit of scotch bonnet pepper and a mac and cheese pack over the top, yummy! So full now. Depending...

I feel cold until I am in Ketosis, then I am much warmer than normal, putting me on a par with most other people (I'm naturally freezing, and even colder getting into ketosis).

Thanks guys! Lou_G - I can't CC, I think it was you who said that JUDDD hadn't worked with you first time because you used all your calories up early- I am exactly the same CC, have a chocolate bar at 11am then starve myself! I plan on doing SnS until I get to goal, then slowly re-introduce...

Indeed, either the packs are not the same or they have different reconsideration in regards to nutrition.

Well done on being a 16! Must feel great. Onwards and downwards, you be in the 12s in a matter of days!

If extra keeps you on track but you are still losing then do it. I occasionally have extra protein on those days where I feel I will cave.

Chicken is the bench mark - email SnS if you want to know for sure but insufficient protein can lead to muscle wastage (i.e it being used for fuel by the body) and it also helps you feel fuller. The sns packs all have at least 11g of protein per pack, but a pack is 35gish, again making it about...

Looks like the products come from the same manufacturer based on flavours etc but their plan is a 3pack per day plan, not 4 or 3 and a meal like SnS.

If it keeps you on the diet then a 25g portion every so often in addition to you packs/ protein etc probably won't do much harm, though you need to check it against your losses as everyone is different.

It's a 'use it as a treat' thing. Bacon isn't good for you generally anyway (additives, salt, fat blah blah blah) and the point of SnS, beyond losing the weight is to change eating habits for long term weight maintenance and overall health. But the occasional piece of bacon, if it helps you stay...

I doubt it, there isn't enough protein in it. Are you veggie?

I must add though that work have been amazingly supportive, but several other people have done CD, LT, Atkins etc and others are on some diet or another so we all support each other and once I have explained how well I feel, and they see I am well and not making it up they want the website! It...

I have lost almost two stone, and several of my friends have commented on how good I look etc etc, but one friend has said 'you can't tell', 'keeping it off will be your problem' and similar such comments- we used to weigh the same amount and she was jealous as I am about 3inches taller, so I...

Ok, yeah there is the bad breath, and the needing to pee like a rac horse, but mouth ash and a tongue scraper and sugar free gum when I was in close proximity to people combated the first and the second calmed down after a while. I also needed less sleep (a good thing for me!) and was warmer...

I can already tell this isn't going to be as easy as he first half! I'm sooo hungry. Just having my final shake- a hot chocolate one. Hopefully will see me through to 9am.

You can have them fried, just dry fried- it's to stop you having oil. Though I know some people use a little fry-light spray.

So it is 2nd January 2013 and Day 1 of the second (and final) leg of my diet. I lost 23lbs between 3rd October and 13th December 2012. I have gained 8lbs since then (I always gain over Christmas!) but I am back on it now! Yesterday I felt horrendous, all bloated and it was painful so I was...

I weighed in, if you don't you won't feel any sense of achievement next week!

i get the face ache, thought it was just me! Have a cup of tea or something- warm drinks can make you feel fuller.

By day 6 you'll be in the zone and gone through a very unpleasant time to get to ketosis, just remember the horridness when you feel like caving!

Good luck on your journey. I was aiming to lose 2st 4lbs, I have lost 23lbs so far but put some n over Christmas, starting again tomorrow t get the rest off, we can all motivate each other!

Yeah top tip it drink drink drink!

My main side effect was feeling amazing! Quick weight loss and an overall feeling of wellness. I didn't feel cold (and I always feel cold). I didn't really get constipation either, because you are eating less in volume, less comes out the other side, but I never found it difficult to 'go'. If...

Ha Ha! I know what you mean about being light and bouncy.

Wow, that must feel amazing- get them to the Charity shop. You are NOT going to need them again.

It is mainly glucose and water you hav put on so don't worry too much (at least that is what I am telling myself!). I'm back on plan on the 2nd

Done for you Hamish's Mum Caroline - 14lbs. (0lbs down, 14lbs to go) Simmy1978 - 14lbs. (0lbs down, 14lbs to go) Noodles1609 - 14lb (0lb down, 14lb to go) Princesssappho - 14lb (0lb down, 14lb to go) LastEverDiet - 18lbs (0lbs down, 18lbs to go) trisha - 14lbs (0 lbs down, 14lbs to go)...

I would give it a go and see how you do, it is cheaper that exante, and other who have switched seem to get similar losses,and you know you can always swap back if it doesn't work. Good luck

12lbs sees me to goal, including the 5lbs I have gained over Christmas, hopefully I won't gain any more (off plan until 2nd Jan) Caroline - 14lbs. (0lbs down, 14lbs to go) Simmy1978 - 14lbs. (0lbs down, 14lbs to go) Noodles1609 - 14lb (0lb down, 14lb to go) Princesssappho - 14lb (0lb down...

I'm stuffed! I have eaten sooo much this last week, as of Christmas eve I weighed 10st 5lbs :( not surprising though, and it is mainly water and glucose, I can still fit into my jeans :). I will weigh again on the 2nd and see how much damage has been done. At least I have ended the year less...

Hope you have had a lovely Christmas, well done for staying on plan.

I get that too :( Glad the graduation was good, enjoy the rest of the holiday season. I will also be back on the wagon in Jan.

Well done! That is fantastic. I hoped you hadn't been on because you were doing well and no because you had fallen off the wagon, but I am so pleased to hear how well you have done. Keep it up and don't forget to check in with us occasionally, you are so inspiring!

Yeah, I remember that thread bananas

Awesome! Well done on your loss,just to get through Christmas now :)

Well done on your loss. I have a number of things from the same shop that are different sizes and fit me at different weights (e.g a topshop size 10 that fits me at my heaviest and a size 12 that is still waaaay to tight!)it's frustrating.

Before starting this diet I did some research on metabolic rate, 'starvation mode' impact of food/ lifestyle etc etc (due to me having found out I had a thyroid issue)and the only useful and consistent thing I found was that it takes around 3months of eating less than 50% of your required daily...

I wore denim shorts :D and got complimented. It felt good.

Well done on your weight loss so far, shows you are in the right frame of mind. I LOVE slim and save. I have averaged 2.5lbs per week, but I have a slow metabolism. It sounds as though your losses may be the same, slightly more wih sns so I guess the choice is yours. Obviously the...

Day 76: 17/12/2012 I have been on a refeed this week, and weighed in this morning at 10st 2- official weigh in tomorrow, an I have tried (not too successfully) to be back on plan, got a wedding at the weekend and want to be able to wear a nice dress. Must say I am still happy with the weight I...

awesome caketalks!

this link was in it; http://www.minimins.com/exante/19721...nk-exante.html (What can you drink on Exante) (What can you drink on Exante). Basically if it has citric acid and low in carbs it's fine

http://www.minimins.com/slim-save/296507-drinks-list.html drinks list :)

jollycoco- I cook the same for everyone, but add a carb (pasta or rice, potatoes etc) and gravy/ sauce to theirs, it feels like I'm eating the same as them, just a smaller, more boring portion. You can even o stuff like stir fry, just don't have the noodles. The 3 packs plus meal and 4 pack...

Well done on getting the job! I find I'm better at work, except a this time of year when people bring in all sorts of goodies! What's the job?

Do it 100% then give yourself Christmas day, any family meals and New years eve off. Between now and 1st Jan you could be almost a stone lighter if you stick at it...get going with it, no time like the present!

that's brilliant hun!

yeah the xmas12 voucher code- if you spend over £50 get £5 off, pretty much means free delivery.

I think people are just giving up due tot he festive season. Though I'm not actually doing Slim and save for the next few weeks I plan to stay on the forum to keep me in check and remind me what all this is for!

Glad you back. I'm back on it on Saturday. Have sts since the 4th though, so not feeling too bad. Good luck with the job.

mine came today, what with the mulled wine and the £5 off voucher, it was a bit of a bargain. Off to try it now.

I seem fine with potato but bread and pasta make me feel awful (I won't go into details but you get the point). I'm worried about getting back on it too, but I am sure we will all get through it together!

Day 72, 13/12/12 Been off plan this week, but have sts at weigh on on wed, so I'm pleased, hopefully can stay that way until the new year. Did an order yesterday, enough shakes and bars to last me a month after xmas to get any remaining weight off and do a slow refeed/ JUDDD down days. I have...

woo hoo! Enjoy. Well done you.

a bit more for both,but not that much.

you can use atkins endulgence bars, and asda do a shake tetra, but be aware that you would need a vitamin pill if doing this as they don't have the same nutrional value.

What??????

Day 69 - 10/12/2012. Had a great weekend. Been totally off plan but haven't eaten just for the sake of it. I am off plan all this week though, we have so much food left over from the weekend, it's not that I can't resist it, but we actually can't afford to waste it. I have put as much as...

Love it!

Everything in sight :D

could be a mineral deficiency- try a good quality multi-vitamin and mineral, sounds like you are getting plenty of protein.

Jeans that I couldn't get passed y knees when I started this diet now do up! (mega muffin top and I can't sit down but still)

are you taking a vitamin supplement?

I can see my spine if I bend a certain way :)

If the diet yo are doing is working and you feel you can maintain a lifestyle change then stick with it! Good luck.

That's great news! Well done. Clearly really works for you. Lets hope we can all get back in the zone come the new year!

GOAL!!!!! Now to keep it that way until Christmas! ]Mandylupton-. 56lbs to go Katiebaby - 20lb - ( 12lb lost 8lb to go) Claire8058 - 60lbs -11lbs lost 50lbs to go Slim1day - 60lbs - 34lbs lost 26lbs to go Emilyx - 56lbs to go Kaceyboo -60lbs Anthonyireland - 70lbs Amethyst -70lbs determinedone...

Thanks hun, did as suggested and I am feeling much better, think the extra weight loss has helped my confidence loads. Treated my self to some new undies from primark, cheap but nice! Day 63 :) Nearly there. Lost another 2lbs this week. Really didn't deserve it. OH got a chinese tonight, I...

Thanks Ruby Shoes!

2lbs off :) Caketalks - 12.5 (0lbs lost : 12.5lbs to go) Welshtigger 14lbs (0lb lost ~ 14lbs to go) oO~SaDiA~Oo -10lbs (0lbs lost~10lbs to go) Kjs1628- 7lbs (0lbs lost - 7 lbs to go) Lil K - 7lbs (0lbs lost - 7lbs to go) LastEverDiet - 10lbs (0lbs lost - 10lbs to go) badllamaone - 14lb (0lbs...

yeah, that happens to me too! happens to people on atkins too.

Plenty of paracetamol and ibuprofen, it is really hard to overdose on ibuprofen (my gp told me that when I had recurrent, anti-biotic resistant tonsillitis!). Plenty of fluids and rest rest rest. Also, if you need it, take what ever it takes, diet e damned, you need to get well.xx

I'm in, haven't managed a challenge yet but what the hell! Caketalks - 12.5 (0lbs lost : 12.5lbs to go) Welshtigger 14lbs (0lb lost ~ 14lbs to go) oO~SaDiA~Oo -10lbs (0lbs lost~10lbs to go) Kjs1628- 7lbs (0lbs lost - 7 lbs to go) Lil K - 7lbs (0lbs lost - 7lbs to go) LastEverDiet - 10lbs...

You have done awesome so far! I need to lose another 5lbs but suspect I will gain about 7lbs over Christmas (based on past years!) so I will have 12lbs ish to lose so call it a stone, hopefully by the beginning of February. Not a lot, but enough to push me up a clothes size or 2.

I had noticed the change in packaging, and just thought I had changed my tastes- the hazelnut one just didn't seem quite as nice. Haven't noticed with the other flavours though.

back on it this week! Sorry guys

Day 61 - 2/12/2012 All Christmas shopping is done! Messed up diet wise a bit this week - pizza one night, steak pie and onion rings another! So I deserve a stay the same this week. Just found this pic on the internet, shows that we should be grateful for all losses!

Thanks for the advice weasey-My re-feed week (week 12) coincides nicely with Christmas week! but I know what you mean about not getting back on it so to that end I now declare that on 2nd Jan 2013 I will be back on SnS for he last leg of my journey. If by some miracle I am a goal on that day I...

I have done 4 pack, no veg or milk weeks, 4 packs with veg and milk weeks and 3 packs with protein meal and milk weeks and not seen a difference in my losses, de to varies medical issues I'm a slow loser but weeks I have stayed the same I can pinpoint why- usually because I have cheated (most...

Yeah, I have faith in the diet- I've lost 21lbs - nearly at target! But yeah, the combination of packs really alters the calories / carb content. I'm glad it's not just me that has noticed this.

Even with the 'extras', I never exceed 700cals - usually never exceed 650! The veg allowance is a godsend on pre-keto days! Really bulks up the meals. And the 3packs + protein option is even lower in carbs than 4packs, but tastier and allows for meals out ect. I mix and match between 3 and 4...

So I appreciate that a VLCD is what it is- very low calorie and low calories = weightloss (just look at those suffering from anorexia) I also appreciate that low carbs = ketosis and that ketosis = appetite suppressant + fat burning I also know that for ketosis you need to eat less than 60gs...

will do, good for you!

that looks great. May have one myself.

Salad dressings are a bit of a no- but I have a tiny but of mayo or fry light do a one cal (low carb) Caesar dressing which I sometimes use.

tracyx, like you and the op I have thyroid issues and the GP is now thinking I have PCOS too, find losing weight sooo difficult, I have on this diet managed a steady 2lbs per week. Not as much as some, but good for me. My Dr does not agree with VLCD's unless it is pre-surgery but admits that...