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11st10lb here :) I want to make sure I am under 11st7lb before xmas (I take a break from dieting at xmas) because I promised myself I will never be 12stone again.

Well done Kev, it's a lovely feeling to get below each stone mark :) Then when you're a couple of pounds under you can tell yourself "I will never be 16 stone again".

Kev, my weight loss has slowed to about half a lb a week, I think it just happens after you've already lost a load. Fortunately I allowed myself 2 yrs anyway, so it's not too disappointing.

I didn't ask anything else, as I am purely on fat, salt and calory control. I knew the fat and salt would be negligible :D

My husband has started drinking the Basics bitter. The price and strength is the same, but the flavor changes all the time! At least the lager always tastes the same.

I phoned their customer care line. The woman who answered then had to phone some other place to find out lol!

I phoned them and asked if they would consider making a similar cider, because I actually prefer cider but usually it is too strong, and like you say too high in calories for me.

I dunno if anyone's posted about this before, but I have just discovered Sainsbury's Basics Lager. It's delicious and only 57Kcal a can, so most of us could have a can or two without wrecking the diet. Also it's 2% alcohol so at least you're actually having a drink, not a pretend drink :D

Yeah but then she's back to square 1 with the weight and bulk issue. I guess there's nothing better than meal-replacement diet bars for all-round suitability - light, non-perishable and high nourishment for low calory :)

She is probably worried about your visceral fat level (fat round the heart and liver etc), which is what can make you more at risk of the obesity-related illnesses. Losing weight in general will of course also deal with that.

I have a 440ml tin down as being 6 points. I am not actually sure now where or when I obtained that figure, so I am not sure how much you can rely on that.

I was thinking about a normal supermarket low fat cheddar. I mean full fat cheddar is ok out of the fridge too, but I was thinking of your calories :D Yes I think hard boiled eggs are safe for a few hours too, as long as they have been boiled for 10 minutes and the shell is not broken.

You need to bear in mind the food will be getting warm in your backpack, and could become dangerous to eat - so that pretty much rules out dressed salads anyway. In a normal picnic you go later and eat soon after arriving, so the food hasn't been waiting all day. How about low fat hard cheese...

I finally lost 2.4lb after zigzagging up and down past 220lb for 4 weeks!

Well done! :D This morning's weigh in told me I had lost 1.4lb total this week, and 1.8lb fat. I am still trying to get my head round that. Must have put on .4lb water or something?

The thread's ok and people are enjoying it - why delete it?

You may lose water in your sweat and weigh less, or you may drink more water than you need to, to compensate and weigh more. That's something no one can tell you. I'd say that a weight training workout was probably going to "pump" your muscles and make you temporarily weigh more than you...

Ah but it's fun to speculate :D

And what about those birds falling out of the sky dead - different species and different places. It's all very apocalyptic...

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Just a note of caution... I can easily eat an excess of 3500+ calories in a day, and keep it up over several days. So it can happen :)

A lot of people have erratic weight, and it is almost always to do with hormones such as cortisol retaining or shedding fluid. Also when you eat sugary and starchy things it causes you to produce more urine to flush out that extra sugar, hence the unexpected drop in weight the day after a bit...

As I have fat-measuring scales I have decided to analyse what proportion of my weight loss is fat. I have done this for a 19-week period, well into my diet so it's not skewed by the initial fast weight loss we get at the start of a diet. In those 19 weeks I lost 25lb, of which 21lb was fat...

That is one of the benefits of a calory counting diet - you can save up calories, do up and down days etc etc. There are few rules other than sticking to a predetermined average intake overall.

Well the reason I count stuff like lettuce is that I also add up things like fruit&veg portions, and potassium to make sure I get enough of those, and lettuce obviously counts towards that. If I didn't do that I might be tempted to simply eat 10 kitkats to get my calories for the day :D

I do. I weigh, count and measure etc

Here is a savory one, that mixed with a little bouillon and hot water tastes like soup Pea Protein Isolate from Myprotein And here is a whey one with no flavoring or sweetening at all - you can add your own: Impact Whey Isolate from Myprotein

My face is what my friends comment on. My legs and hips have lost inches. I don't think my "pregnant" tummy will ever go, and my waist inches have only just started reducing after losing 2stone.

When the ProPoints were introduced, the points value of a lot of their branded foods was recalculated, which is obviously as it should be. What is slightly irritating to me as a calorie counter using their foods is that they appear to have reformulated some things to be nearer to their higher...

Thanks :) Yes, it *is* coming off, but going by my average, it's a two-year diet to get to goal, and I am only just over 6 months into it... I don't like to think further ahead than my next half-stone mini-goal.

I'm sort of here. I don't use the site as much as I did at first cos it's gradually sinking in just how long it's gonna take to lose this weight, and I am trying to avoid thinking about it for fear it will get too daunting. Fortunately my willpower appears to be holding out, so the diet is...

You can see all you posts if you go into User CP and look at the suscribed threads.

It's probably too high in carbs for an Atkins, but by generous use of quorn products (for example you can have something that is like cold roast chicken by itself as a lunch) then you can keep the carbs down. Also try protein powders - almost all the calories are from protein in those

I was eating whatever I wanted for 9 days over xmas and put on about 5lb. That's not bad in the grand scheme of things, but it's still 1lb every two days which implies I was eating 3,500Kcal more than I needed everyday - when eating as I like. This doesn't bode well for maintenance if I should...

Well the BMR is meant to be what you need if you lay still, in a coma all day. Then you have to calculate your activity level and add that back on. *Then* subtract the 500 or 1000 for your desired weightloss rate.

Although according to my original plan I have until the end of Monday, I have already started winding down so it doesn't come as such a shock. There is not much left now other than a mini xmas pud, a handful of chocolate coins, and a wedge of stilton :)

Oh, well that's silly then. I would have thought having the support and reassurance of the WW group leader would have reduced the danger of women panicking about weight gain getting out of control and undereating. At the very least they can guide and encourage healthy eating of plenty of...

I thought WeightWatchers was one of the schemes you could still do while pregnant. Don't they have special pregnancy diet plans? Obviously it's not a case of simply staying on the same number of points you were on in your non-pregnant state. It has to be adjusted.

Me. There is no real reason why I can't exercise but I find it harder to discipline myself to do that than I do to stop myself eating. I am losing on average 1.6lb weekly, which I am happy with.

You need to work out what type of constipation you have. If you have stool ready to pass, but it is too large and hard to pass, then adding fibre is the wrong approach. You need a softener like lactulose, which pulls water into the lower bowel. Only after you have cleared out what you already...

Well, it's a good skill to learn to be able to give in to the occasional craving and make the diet fit around it, so it's a little bright spot in an otherwise hungry deprived day :D

What would be really nice is if in response to a desperate thread like this, someone would say "Fantastic news - scientists have discovered you can stuff yourself silly all day as long as the temperature is below 10degrees C, and still lose weight". Argh how my imagination works when I am...

CatCrazy, a cheese sandwich made with a pre-sliced slice of half-fat cheddar and two slices of Nimble or WW bread and a faint smear of benecol is only about 180Kcal, maybe 200 with a tomato (don't count the lettuce of course). Ok, you can't buy this while you're out, but if you have it when you...

Yeah, there is some formula but I am not sure what it is. As a result of reading up on protein requirements I have set myself a strict minimum of 45g per day. But I try to favor foods that give as much protein as possible for the calories they hold - which usually puts me quite a bit above...

I am not sure how the weightwatchers tortilla chips work out by SW rules, but they might be worth a look.

But they have that polyol stuff too, don't they?

It's pretty ghastly, yes. The first time it happened I thought I had caught the norwalk virus.

So no one who had problems with them later "grew out of" it? If by the 4th or 5th attempt I might be managing to cope with them, I'd persevere cos I really like them.

Jeez... but if they did this to everyone no one would ever buy them. I mean you couldn't go to work or out shopping or anything more than a foot from a toilet :(

Well it's somewhat comforting that I am not alone, but rather frustrating also. Does one get used to the ingredients or do the intolerant remain intolerant forever?

The Atkins bars are ideal as part of my CC diet, and a good source of protein as I am a vegetarian. I thought it was a coincidence the first time that I got nausea an hour or so after eating it, followed by abdominal cramping and violent diarrhea. A few days later I ate another one and the...

Oh well, fortunately I allowed for the full count... Thanks :)

I don't believe the body hangs on to fat when you don't eat enough. But if you don't have enough you will not be absorbing certain vitamins that require fat to absorb them. However I feel pretty certain this is not connected to your disappointing weight loss rate. I'd be inclined to...

I ate an Atkins Advantage bar as part of my calorie controlled diet - and very delicious it was too. But I am a bit confused about exactly what to record as the calorie count for it. It has 19g carb, but tells you to only count it as 2.1g. Does that mean the other 17g are indigestible? (ie...

Oh dear, Nee, what can I say? You just have to keep your resolve up and try, try again. I just read the article you linked to. It's a great success story of course, but the people in these articles never seem to have an "off" day after they joined whichever club or diet plan they chose. I...

Your message is there, Kae.

But are you eating because of a behavioural problem or because you're really hungry? For the last couple of days I have been seriously hungry to the point of it gnawing my stomach and stopping me sleeping. Today I have decided to give in and go a little over my calorie allowance. I don't want...

The horse riding machine is similar to a vibration plate but you sit on it. This is the one I have Bodi-Tek Ride - Tesco.Direct and there are other brands.

I do have one of those horse riding machines. I am not convinced it's exercising anything though. I do stagger a bit when I get off, like a cowboy with my legs apart, but I always think that's because it's been shaking up the fluid in my inner ear.

What I do about cravings is put it on the list for my next day-off reward day. Then I reassure myself by saying "As soon as you lose another half stone you can have it"

Letty, you cannot have put on 7lb of fat in a week. That would have involved eating 3500 extra calories *each day* which I am sure is impossible :) Therefore most of that is water.

JemmaBe, from reading the extra background you have just added, I am getting the impression of a personal crisis. Even the sudden infatuation with another "love interest" I have seen as a symptom of depression. My friend had that, and after she was successfully treated she was aghast at even...

Well, I'd want to find out what happened a month ago to alter his behaviour. It could be anything from finding himself unexpectedly attracted to someone else, thru some form of stress-related nervous breakdown coming on. After being together a number of years where the relationship was working...

They maybe should have dealt with the existing members first - perhaps give them a chance to buy the new stuff and ask questions the week before official launch.

Think about restricting sodium and taking magnesium supplements if your BP is borderline high. It worked well for me! Doctor wanted to put me on medication, now I don't need it :)

I'd suggest switching to normal food now, but try to find out how much you should be eating for health in pregnancy without excessive weight gain. Neither attempt to lose fat, nor throw all caution out of the window and eat loads of junk. Restricted food intake in pregnancy has been...

IMHO it's best to forget the calculators. Weigh and count calories for everything you eat for 4 weeks (will cover any unevenness caused by monthly cycle). Keep doing your normal amount of exercise. After 4 weeks see what weight you lost or gained, and count up how many calories you ate. If...

Well that was my point really. If you *can* go off-plan without beating yourself up, then fine. But so many people DO beat themselves up, and do it by dwelling on what they ate, or starving themselves the next day etc - all food-related punishments. I thought if the people who did suffer...

Well you're not alone any more, here's mine: I lost 3.6lb this week!! Which I am pretty relieved about seeing as I apparently put on 0.4lb last week. So can we say I lost 3.2lb in two weeks and expunge last week's gain? :D

I have seen threads about non-food rewards. But I have had a strange idea. Most of us stray from our diets from time to time, resulting in various degrees of guilt. The end result can be anything from giving up the diet, thru undereating the next day to try and make up, to just feeling...

That sounds nice, thank you :)

So, it looks like not even all the class leaders agree whether you must eat all your points or not? I think the common ground is you can no longer carry any over. So, if you only eat 20 points one day, it doesn't mean you can eat the 9 leftover points another time. Well they obviously can't...

I'm not on SW, but the thread title caught my eye in passing :)

I do. Although I only officially record my weight once per week, it's the only way to guess whether an unexpectedly large or small weight loss was possibly the result of some sudden water retention or pee-fest rather than a general trend over the week (ie diet not suitable)

I would feel sure that tinned soup has too much carb, cos it's always thickened... Can you go out and buy some sliced cheese? At least that is carb free - or can't you have fat either?

Yeah, for instance if you were on a low-carb diet before, changing to a normal carb diet would immediately make you hold more water.

My BMR is supposed to be about 1800 according to calculators. I am lucky to lose 1.4lb a week averaging 900kcal a day. I think the calculators are too generous.

Edit: Post irrelevant as mission completed

I have been a bit of a serial slimmer in the past, so I have a pretty good idea of how I look and feel at different weights. I was fit and happy at 10.5stone but at 8stone (theoretically my "desirable" weight) I felt I looked too angular and my shoulders were too wide for my hips. So I have...

Thank you Kagome!

Thank you :)

I'm sorry to be a nuisance too, especially as I am not officially on the WW plan. I do like to pay regard to WW points on my CC diet though. At 58yrs old, female, 5ft3ins and 245lbs can I assume I would be on the basic 29 points?

I posted a trick that works for me under the circumstances suffered by the OP. It saves putting stuff into you that will affect your entire digestive system just for the sake of that last inch of obstruction: http://www.minimins.com/exante/174247-toilet-troubles-vlcd-2.html#post2971436

Well I am sorry if I shocked anyone, but I thought it was worth a try under certain circumstances, and saves taking substances that can upset the balance of the entire digestive tract, just on account of an inch of too-tight tubing. Preperation H gel also works almost as well.

No more information than I thought might be pertinent to the topic being discussed.

If the stool feels ready to pass but is too difficult to push out, a fingerful of vaseline can just do the trick, and is instant. Sometimes if things are very dry, it's just a case of "unsticking" it as it tries to squeeze past the narrowest part of its journey :D If you have long or rough...

But it's half a pound of fat you need never see again, think of it that way :)

I think all pulsey things like peas and beans seemed to have points. Still no idea why banana doesn't :shrug:

Hi CupcakeMummy! 3 stone tends to doable in 5 months, all being well, and some hard work. It's once people say they're expecting a stone or more a month that I know they're gonna be disappointed, lol!

You're welcome :)

Hi darling09, all the best for your calorie counted weightloss :)

What I do is I put in the amount either per 100g or per portion - however the nutrition is given on the pack of food. From that I work out how much of it I am having.

Here is an online one - just type the numbers in WeightWatchers ProPoints Calculator for your mobile phone I don't know why it's called "for your mobile phone" in the link, cos it's just a normal browser one.

I had hubby under my feet most of last week, working from home due to the tube strike. He's actually deigned to go back to the office today. Next thing I know he'll probably be off with a cold and I'll never get my decorating done (I am doing the bathroom so I can't really do it when he's home)

Thanks Nee, same back :)

Well, the newly published blurb *does* mention saturated fat is taken into account, yet the calculators I have seen so far only ask you to input total fat. So what is the truth of this? Is saturated fat calculated seperately from total fat?

I was coughing and sneezing like a whatever coughs and sneezes a lot yesterday and today my nose feels crusty. And I was awake for 2 hours in the night, and waking up every hour from then on. But other than a little tired and listless and getting things that feel like hot flushes I don't feel...

Yup! It's showing a definite pattern. Don't worry guys, I think it will all get back on track when our bodies settle to the new times. If my theory is correct about the time shift affecting cortisol, then we mustn't use it as an excuse to eat more, cos our bodies will definitely turn it...

I am convinced there is something about clocks going back and the cortisol cycle messing with all our appetites and metabolisms. Everyone seems to be having trouble this week.

I've been finding it hard the last several days too. And what is annoying is that even though I *have* stuck to my diet, my weight has reacted as if I have given in to my hunger! One just can't win!

When I first read about propoints I thought someone was saying saturated fats would be counted differently from unsaturated. But the calculators I have seen seem to be just counting total fat. I wonder if we have the whole story yet?

I gained 0.4lb this week... Well it *has* to be water retention, as I have stuck to my 1000Kcal daily all week, as usual.

Congratulations on your weight loss this week, Nee! Oh, while on the subject of us all getting sick, that cold I thought I was coming down with a few days ago, I felt ok the next day. Though I have been coughing and sneezing more than usual since, I don't actually feel rough in any other way...

What I mean is, if I believe Weightwatchers, it makes me feel the vegetarian choices I make are not as nutritionally desirable as if I was eating lean chicken and tuna.

Well yes, but even if we're not following the points system, it still leaves those affected items being less good for our weight loss than we previously thought. So it's still "unsettling news" basically.

Sorry Rachel, I missed your post before. The dilemma is, that if the new way of calculating *is* more "correct" nutritionally than their previous plans, then we're still disadvatnaged. If not by having to eat less protein, then by not being able to lose weight as fast. Though I have to say...

Yes I am torn between believing the new WW points system, and wanting to defend vegetarianism and its need to get protein from basically carbohydrate-rich foods. I mean vegetarians can only get protein from foods that also contain either fat (eggs and cheese) or carbohydrate (tofu, pulses and...

Of course the question is - how conducive is being a vegetarian to staying lean? You often read how vegetarians are healthier on average than meat eaters, but I wonder if those statistics are going back to the time when if you were a veggie it was because you were a health food fanatic or...

I found this online calculator ProPoints Calculator, a free online WeightWatchers tool Now the problem I can see with this is for vegetarians. My typical meat substitutes are now going up far more in points compared to the actual meat I would be attempting to replace. This puts vegetarians at...

Well, if OH told you to stay off work, then *he* can call in and excuse you ;)

If it does, it must be minuscule and hardly enough to provide enough carbohydrate to excuse the body from burning its own reserves. That coating is meant to be "enteric" so that it waits till it gets into the bowel to be dissolved instead of irritating the stomach. As the stomach can digest...

I usually take nurofen. Powerful drug for inflammation and general malaise, and I am pretty sure it doesn't contain anything that can knock you out of ketosis... Though I have read that infections themselves can do that, as the body turns to burning lean tissue rather than fat during...

Of course, some of the interpretations by the journalist are off, as usual (I don't think journalists actually read what they write sometimes) but the basic principles look convincing. Should manufacturers start being asked to put Nett energy count on their packaging if Gross is misleading?

Maybe the creators of these vlcd meals should consider adding more fibre to them? What I have read in this thread has put me off ever trying one :eek:

The important thing is to be honest with *yourself* about why you do what you do. If you find a cosy companionship feeling claustrophobic, then it's perfectly legitimate to stick to more heady but less "comfortable" relationships. The only thing I would say is that in that case it might be...

But that feeling doesn't last forever in the very best of relationships. I think the maximum is about 5 years - with most losing it much before that. In some cases it can be prolonged by being mixed up with insecurity and tension, which is largely responsible for the very early intense...

I've decided to change to Saturday weigh-in. Then if I get naughty over the weekend it won't affect the whole week's weight lol! 1lb lost this week - and the week included one of my planned days off, so I can't complain

SlimmerSu, you need loads of water with things like fybogel or else they just add extra size to already-hard poos. It sounds from your description that you already have the bulk - now you need the softness.

Syren, your diet sounds similar to mine. Not sure if you can see my diary on only 25 posts (I think you have to have over 50 posts) but basically: My rules are: 1) under 1000 Kcal 2) under 30g total fat 3) under 100g total carbohydrate 4) over 45g protein (I am a vegetarian so that is not as...

When you say "not working any more", what do you mean by that? Is it the matter of him not wanting children whereas you'd like more, and not being properly involved with your son? Or is it that you no longer get wobbly knees and fluttery tummy when you see him, or what? I am just wondering...

O!M!G! That is incredible!! I am very pleased for you :) :)

Good luck for Saturday :)

My theory about this is that if you increase your exercise, your muscles hold on to water - related to an inflammatory process - until they get used to the new exercise level. While I don't doubt that there is some truth into the body reducing its metabolic rate in response to a low energy...

3 days at 100%! You've got a good foothold on it now, in that case!

Maybe he will keep in touch with your son for a little while until he gets used to the idea? Perhaps send him a xmas card and little present, and a phone call some time to ask how he's doing at school. I am not of course suggesting they have regular access visits as if he was his father or...

:hug99: I am so sorry for your loss

Kes, that IS good!

The trouble for me with fruit being free would be that I'd relearn "picking", which I am thankfully losing the habit of. I'd keep grabbing a couple of grapes as I walk past. With my CC diet, I have to weigh grapes, so they get planned for like everything else.

Commiserations, Lou :( I have had the flu jab once in my life, and that year I got the worst bout of flu I can ever remember. Couldn't stay out of bed for more than 10mins without getting dizzy.

Oh yes that reminds me of something that happened when I was 20, and with my then boyfriend who was Polish. He'd just introduced me to these friends of his who hadn't met me before, and went to the bar to get drinks. One turned to the other, and said, in Polish something to the effect of...

That is one good thing about getting old - I no longer have people commenting on my weight or appearance. I think once you get to a certain age, people just take it for granted you're probably gonna be fat and grey lol. I am sorry it happened to you, anyway.

Yay!!!! All's well that ends well. :)

So... we're just waiting to hear if the pack turned up. Don't miss tonight's exciting installment... :D

Well done for not eating all day! I have to admit I was nervous you might cave in :)

I know what you mean about feeling the need to keep a friend company. I have a friend who comes round for tea and cakes once a week, it's a pattern we have established over some years. We take it in turn to buy the cakes and it's something we both look forward to. We talked over the situation...

Thank you, that's a very helpful link. This is the line I've been looking for "Both soluble and insoluble fiber are undigested" :D

Oh yes I did look at your link before posting. It's just that it's all in cups, so I'd have to start from scratch working out my own values per food for my database, which is all in 100g units. So I just wondered if I should calculate oat bran, which has soluble fibre the same as say wheat...

I've been pretty much on tenterhooks all morning wondering if your package is going to arrive without mishap or delay!

It was in the context of the nett carbohydrate scores. Although my diet is basically calorie counted, I am also trying to limit my carbohydrates. I would like to use the Atkins rules as a basis for my carb scoring.

Shazza, does dietary fibre include both soluble and insoluble?

:giggle: Doesn't the word "unexpectedly" usually go with something someone else causes to happen to you? ;)

Stormwind that is amazing! What did you do this week that could account for the good loss?

Well today is my official weigh-in day and I can record a 2.8lb loss this week! That's actually quite a lot for me. I haven't felt like eating much these last couple of days and only had about 700Kcal on each of those days, so maybe that is something to do with it. I have one of my scheduled...

Well it looks like it's going to happen to me this time. When I lost weight as a young adult my tummy would stay firm. Now I am 58 it's just going floppy. I think it's to do with connective tissue that loses its elasticity. I think it will be related to age and amount rather than speed of...

I managed 2.8lb off this week!! :0

I don't suppose you can have grapes - they're one of the highest sugar fruits. Chicken has no carbs though so that shouldn't ruin ketosis.

Well done for staying on the plan in spite of all that upheaval!!!

I'm beginning to wonder if it's not best to weigh once a month, or even once a quarter rather than weekly. There must be so much going on in our bodies that we don't understand in terms of water balance that it's probably even misleading to associate your weight change this week with what you...

Fit-by-30 won't that encourage you to put on weight as you end up with double the reward by putting it on? And you didn't say when you actually claim the prize - if ever.

Well, *a* cake and drink probably wouldn't, she'd be right. But people who are not trying to lose weight often don't understand the psychology of those who are. One cake and drink can destroy an entire weightloss program if they're not psychologically prepared or compensated for.

You could also try lactulose - I find 20ml of that in a pint of water clears me out in a couple of hours :D Don't take it on the actual day you're going out though, cos the aftereffect is quite gassy. And like someone else already said, I bet you haven't been drinking enough water. That...

I get the feeling you need to regain control. One idea is that you can put together the stuff you think you might inadvertently eat, and ringfence it for a particular time of day. So rather than dashing into the kitchen and grabbing it in dribs and drabs in an unplanned way, you can say, I...

Well done Racheal :)

Lol - it sounds like she just enjoys having a good nag :D Oh well, let her enjoy herself and just don't take any notice. You eat what you think you should and be the size you think you should be. She can enjoy doing what she enjoys - moaning :D

Interesting... you've lost about the same as me at this stage, and I am currently having quite a struggle with my appetite and urges to stuff something unsuitable into my mouth which only started in the last few days. Along with a sort of "depressed" feeling about how long it is all taking. I...

What I miss is just being able to stuff something in my mouth for no better reason than I felt like doing it. I just hate being restrained in any way. Maybe all this time I have been overeating just to prove I have the freedom to do so. Maybe I am still suffering from being never allowed to...

Oh dear, I think all I can offer you today is a big hug. :hug99: I sense you're in no mood to receive a pep-talk. I know the feeling

Does it smell like Whey Protein Isolate? I have some of that stuff and I heave when I drink it from the smell. Even if I block my nose while downing it, it then starts repeating on me and I feel sick for hours after.

Welcome to calorie counting life :) You sound like you're pretty well organised too. Good luck with your weight loss :)

For a child, the Science Museum is good. There is one room with a load of things kids can press and twiddle, I seem to remember. She might find Tussauds a bit boring, unless she recognises some of the people in it. She'll like The Eye though I am sure. And the Natural History Museum has...

That's pretty much what normal-weight people have to do anyway, if they pig out one day they go back to eating less the next day. I guess the only difference between them and us is they do it automatically without having to think about it. I think what went wrong with me why I put all my...

Good! Come in, come in, all of you :)

Hmm that's a point, about the ketosis. Why I was thinking of it is that it's nutritionally complete, and I find it a bit wearing keep thinking of different real food to eat that will give me everything I need in under 1000Kcal. So I thought it would give me a couple of days off having to...

Sorry if this is a FAQ, but would there be any validity in having, say, one or two total exante days per week in my otherwise calorie-counting diet? Does anyone here do anything like that?

Never mind, housework burns calories ;)

In fact, looking at your goal list, you've recently ticked off a very significant one! Your lowest adult weight. That is pretty important! Each little bit off now is a huge success, in that context.

Well done Nee! :)

Welcome, Tink!

Hi Bumblebum! Nice to see a few more people joining us now :D

Well if you look nice enough that he wants to marry you, then you look nice! What more proof do you need? :D

Fudgey, you have to dump that boyfriend - he keeps feeding you! ;)

I like my Omron scales. The only thing is, I was wondering how come when I weigh myself without doing my fat levels, I am always a lb lighter than if I use the electrodes. It suddenly came to me, it was adding the weight of the handlebar thing that you have to pull out if you're doing fat! So...

Have a night out now (in a non-caloric venue), so you can get *one* wear out of the dress rather than wasting it?

Very annoying :mad: I'd be inclined to be "too busy" the next couple of times he invites you somewhere and hopefully he'll stop taking your friendship for granted.

I have a reward system that does involve food. Each mini-goal is rewarded by a binge day. I have earned one so far, and I am saving it :) I know we're not meant to reward ourselves with food really, but it was the only reward that seems to motivate me. Unless my psychology changes...

I've got a set of Omron bathroom scales that do it. There are two pairs of electrodes on the platform and you hold sort of "handlebars" in your hands and it passes an electric current through you. I think it measures the resistance, and works it out like that.

Lol, well what I did as an emergency measure was had a pack of Weightwatchers cornchips and jumped on my exercise cycle till it told me I'd worked that number of calories lol! But something is "going on" in my body. My fat percentage has suddenly dropped by 1.3% in two days without me losing...

I have been on this calorie counted diet since the end of July and have not gone over my allowance once! Losing weight slowly but as well as I was expecting... Today for some reason my emptying fat cells have started a revolution, and are sending out adiponectin to make me hungry (as in...

Can you work out what there is about the roast dinner that you are wanting? I am not a vegetable lover, but one time when I was feeling off my food and someone served me with boiled vegetables, I fell into them and realised that was what I was wanting!

I used to go to meetings, some years ago. I found them a) tedious and b) counter-productive as I nearly always went on a huge binge straight afterwards and only managed to get back on the diet two days before the next meeting - in an attempt not to look a complete idiot at WI. I think I have a...

Oh I had this on my last attempt at weight loss, but mine happened at 15stone. I gave up too :( I do hope you manage to ride it out and keep going till you are happy with your weight. Have you reassessed your BMR and calorie requirements lately?

Oh... maybe not then. But all the same it seems a little unrealistic to expect anyone to go all the way from an early lunch to a late supper. Maybe there is some flexibility if you ask your counsellor. I am not on this plan so don't know the full rules.

I can see you're sorted now, but it looks like you have a huge gap between lunch and evening meal. Maybe you could plan for a 4 meal day, each one smaller to make up for it? Then have a small meal either late afternoon or as soon as you get in.

Hehe - well done!

Ah - I don't think I could do that without "tasting" it all the way through mixing, and I always try to save water by licking the bowl at the end. Lol may your strength be with you :D

Well Kes, you look lovely in your recent photo. I guess what you're eating is giving you a healthy look and is right for you.

My mother kept her weight stable (on the slightly overweight level) for years just eating one large meal a day in the evening, with sometimes some chocolate during the evening also. She was 82 when she died so it's obviously not a huge no-no.

I am not a WW expert, but in terms of general diet I would say crisps offer some nutrition for their points, whereas Irn Bru is just empty calories and a sugar hit that's not really all that good for anyone other than people about to pass out from hypoglycemia :)

You tell your husband that 3lbs a week is *excellent* progress. It just shows that the diet is right for you.

I was going to say maybe it was a family emergency like someone taken ill suddenly. But if she had time to talk to the person who was meant to offer you the scales, then she did get some planning time...

Apparently they can weigh about half a pound a day! So 3 days' worth is your 1.5lb :D

Aww but think of the poor hungry pigeons who would have loved that if you'd saved it for them ;) (another time lol)

There's loads of possible reasons, ranging from maybe you've got down to the weight that matches your intake, and you have to reduce what you eat again, right to a temporary reason like a bit of water retention or you didn't have a good bowel movement in recent hours.

Funny you should say that, but as I am eating chocolate less and less often, I am more and more finding I feel unwell in some way or another shortly after eating it. This has been either a migraine-like headache or a feeling like I am finding it hard to breathe. At first it was only after...

Sounds very healthy! Best of luck!

I got put on beta blockers for blood pressure, and those made my appetite soar. Fortunately I was able to resist the hunger and stay on my diet, and after a while I didn't need them any more cos I guess I had reduced my own BP by reducing salt and calories.

But potatoes are well worth having even if you have to reduce the portion quite a lot. They are rich in fibre and are pretty much a western diet's main source of potassium (as long as you don't boil them and throw away the water). For this reason I even work low-fat chips into my diet...

Well, yesterday I was 250.2lb. Today, my *official* weigh-in day I have put on .8lb :( That means this week I have officially lost 1.6lb. Well at least it's still a loss.

Oh yes! I saw your earlier two-weeks difference one, and that showed, but this is an amazing difference!

How much does a cube weigh? Basically it seems to me that what you'd have to do is make sure the carbohydrates contained in the portion you have fit in the total allowed under ketosis rules.

Do they give their nutritional listing? You could check to see if they have any score for carbohydrate.

Well oxo cubes are meat-based aren't they? So its just like having meat and water. Also Bovril is made from meat juices. Marmite is vegetable in origin.

Hehe - kids and their reverse psychology. I was a computer fanatic when my kids were growing up, and they were about the only ones of their friends who refused to use computers for a hobby!

Anyway she's probably given up on this thread by now, it's not turned out to be one of the most constructive on here...

If I may just be slightly annoying for a moment - you're all moaning at Glyn for not getting Racheal's name right, but you're all calling her Rachael. She spells it with the a and e the other way round, according to her signature. [Inge ducks before she gets thwacked]

It probably depends how much you weighed to start with. If 10lb is only a tiny proportion of the total excess weight it probably won't show much. I read some threads about how much you have to lose before friends start commenting, and I think the consensus was about 22lb, with 15lb being one...

Lildanni, where's your fruit & veg? Or are you just not listing them cos they don't cost points?

Hehe - they should be *forced* to post their weight no matter how much they have gained! :p

I can understand this. I visited a friend after he got out of hospital having been told his stomach cancer was terminal. The change in him already was drastic - so thin and frail. Then I went back to see him the next week and he was virtually out of it and didn't respond to our presence...

Even people not on a diet go a bit mad with food when they're having a special treat. It's all part of normal life, and something a slimming diet has to work around. I am going to binge on my birthday soon, and again for xmas and boxing day. My diet will somehow have to pick up the pieces...

Wow! You guys are losing fast! I am almost tempted to try this one... But I don't think I could stop eating long enough :(

Well this does happen to most slimmers. Every now and then I go through a few weeks where nothing seems to happen, then it just restarts without me changing anything. Goodness knows what goes on in our bodies... You could just reassess the calories and double check they are the right level...

Hi there! That would be about 3lb a week average, have I got my sums right? That may be a little optimistic, but it depends how your metabolism is. I couldn't do it without starving dangerously as mine is quite slow.

Think of it as "day off" rather than "broken diet". That will make it seem more natural to simply return to the planned diet the next day.

Excellent!!! /me does a happy dance

The iced lemon slices are very tasty and sweet but very low in calories. Also the cheese spread triangles are pretty good for protein and actually taste like cheese.

18lb in 6 weeks! That is good!

Thank you for teaching me about the Alt-Gr. I have always wondered how it was done :)

I was breast fed. In my case I was a skinny child till I was 9yrs old then it just suddenly piled on. My mother blamed it on having my tonsils out. But the same thing happened to my kids, they were slim normal till they were 9 then started getting plump - in each case it was because around...

Well spare a thought for me. My hips always go before my waist or back, which leaves me looking more like a bloke with a beergut :)

Sounds reasonable to me. If the feast starts and ends at the fair, it will be self-limiting.

Nee, you have already lost 2 stone this year according to the goal list in your sig. That's really good! I am sure you'll manage to repeat that success and make it a total of 4 stone (or even more) by this time next year, just as soon as you have your diet settled again :)

Well done for hanging in there :D

If he's not going to take it seriously and in the process is apparently undermining your own confidence in doing it the right way, I'd be inclined to just bother with your own diet, eat seperately and ask him to prepare his own (or put up with what you happen to put in front of him). It's hard...

I really do think some people have a much lower BMR than some calculation rules are willing to admit. Have you tried as an experiment lowering your points allowance one week?

Well, it's not fat whatever it is. You can't possibly be storing fat.

Seems like a good week for most of us!

No, don't "solve" it by eating too much :D How about going back to the one that was working for you? If you really do want a diet break, plan it and decide exactly how long it will last (ie 24 or 48 hrs from whenever) and get some nice food in so you enjoy it properly. Then you won't get...

Wow! Well done!! It's encouraging to hear that it does eventually happen lol :D

I don't think the "eat what I like" would work for me if it happened too often - I am awfully good at packing in some very calorie-intensive snacks :D I do however use eatwhatIlike days as occasional rewards - not that I have acheived one yet :( .6lb to go before I earn my first one.

I'm on calorie counting, and I have lost 5ins off my hips, nothing from my waist, and only lost 7lbs weight. So we're all weird in our own way ;)

Lost 2.2lb - finally!!!

So are you saying the thyroxine is not the right treatment for your particular thyroid disorder? I remember vaguely reading about some other thyroid hormone that some people have a problem with - is that the one that is affecting you?

Well, as it happens in recent months I have had cause to read a LOT of stuff about BP on the internet, as in older age mine has started to creep up. Firstly I can pretty much reassure you that 143/100 counts as long-term risk rather than "omg I am about to explode". So if it carried on at...

Do you have any idea what actual figures your BP is showing?

Are you active yet? My pregnancy hypertension continued into the postnatal period a little while, but went back to normal after I started my usual activity levels.

Give yourself a big hug and remember a big slice or two of cake at the end of a day of dieting is still not as bad as a load of cake at the end of a day of overeating :)

Hehe sorry Lisaberry, I hear from so many people who don't bother to discuss things in advance and then wonder why they don't turn out right, that I had unfairly lumped you in with them. Sorry for assuming too much then :D

Yes, good luck Tanya :)

Ok I am thinking of getting one of these. It needs to go into my converted loft room which only has a 7ft ceiling so I need one that doesn't lift you too high. I am 5ft3ins so the pedals need to not go up higher than 21inches from the ground. Also as I have to drag it up 2 flights of stairs...

Aah! I get it now. I thought how can you lose weight eating as much pasta as you like? Of course the trick is if you have to have the same weight in carrots as you have in pasta, you're not gonna really want all that pasta (or at least I wouldn't, cos I don't like carrots lol)

I often just use the chunks in casseroles, just like I would have made when I was still eating meat.

It probably depends on your BMR. In spite of having normal thyroid, my resting heart rate is only about 54bpm, which is the sign of a slow metabolic rate. My rate of weight loss compared to my intake also supports this and calculated in reverse from my daily intake and my weight loss, my BMR...

Judith, the labelling on foods is how much heat they produce when burnt. It takes no account of what energy contribution that food makes to our bodies. For example, something high in insoluble fibre will state more calories on the packaging than it will actually contribute to our diet. I...

I think your husband is to blame for this anyway. How silly of him to invite extra people after the table has been booked! Now it has just caused embarrassment all round. But next time, you need to both discuss who you should invite, and why, and whether it's feasible, before issuing the...

That sounds yummy! I daren't buy anything like that yet, though, I'd eat all eight!! :D

Heh! I had no idea this was here. I am 5'3"!! I am weighing on Mondays.

Thanks :) I shall keep my fingers crossed for your success this week!

Can you explain to me what the two columns represent? Is the higher one your husband's allowance?

Good, the more the merrier! Monday doesn't seem the most popular of days for a weigh-in. I guess a lot of people worry they might have overeaten at the weekend :)